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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

Is there a word for people who think they're logical but mostly driven by emotion? Like an emotional dk effect?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#952
post #573

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Yes, there are a lot of people who will say that. They provide a living, walking straw man, and there are enough of them that I can't say you're cherry picking. As for the tweet, I can't see any reason I'd start reading twitter now, I've been long disgusted with the quality of discourse on twitter. But if you decide to dismiss the concerns about the excesses of the far left by pointing to racist responses to a tweet…

What are "the excesses of the far left"? What is the "far left" even? > I'm not sitting around scratching my head bewildered as to what he's talking about. Strange, because despite the extra paragraph that you spent dancing up to the subject, I have no idea what you're referring to. Or rather, I do, but I know why you wouldn't (try to) spell it out here.

I am still interested in knowing what you think Carville was talking about, without prompting from me. You might want to read the interview where he said this.

But I'll give an example. Again, I want to point out that I don't use the term "woke", which I consider to be unhelpful. But here's an example of what I would view as the self-defeating behavior of the far left.

Let's take Judge Duncan's talk at Stanford. Now, I probably don't need to convince you to be concerned about the 5th circuit court or Duncan's judicial record. That much, at least, we already agree about. And anyway, there are far better people than me to explain it.

Unfortunately, those better people didn't get a chance to do so. I would say that the behavior from the Stanford Law school students who chose to disrupt the speech was an example of harmful behavior from the radical left that represents a pretty serious setback for moderate liberals. Duncan won this round, and there really was no need to hand him such a victory. Stanford looked bad, DEI admins looked bad, the student protestors looked bad. They provided a right wing judge with an an opportunity to obfuscate, avoid getting questioned and pressed on important points where he's genuinely vulnerable, and they took from the left the opportunity to raise awareness of really serious implications of what I consider to be a radical court. Worst, they gave him the opportunity to paint his opponents the worst possible light. I think they gave the right wing a real gift that day.

So yeah, I think that everyone on the moderate left knows this is becoming a problem.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I wouldn't walk alone in the TL or SOMA at night, but if you skip those neighborhoods entirely after 5pm you're going to miss some of the best bars and venues in the city! Black Cat, Emperor Norton's, Zombie Village, Bar 888, Tempest, the EndUp...Maybe one reason the "SF is a hellhole" crowd are so negative about this town are because they shut themselves out of so many great places!

yeah you can drink and party for a few years but then the filth, the misery, and in many cases the idiocy of this city starts to wear one down. I've been working in the city for decades but now I'm just fed up and disillusioned. I can't help these people and this misery will not stop, and no amount of drinks at the tempest will change that.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

> people made homeless by the enormous wealth disparity

There’s a tiny possibility that feckless bureaucrats, billions of dollars spent with no oversight, mental illness, and drug addiction share just a sliver of the responsibility

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#955
post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

Is there a word for people who think they're logical but mostly driven by emotion? Like an emotional dk effect?

Rationalist?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #536

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Ah, apparently it was a strangulation rather than a stabbing! I'll refrain from repeating the accused's name here because I see now that the charges were dropped -- but it was on HN before and left an impression on me: maybe I'm old fashioned but I usually expect the number of assaults, attempted murders, or murders connected with a project team to be zero.

Could you link to the story without naming the accused? I find that curious as well.

I sent you an email. Hope it satisfies your curiosity.

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post #881

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What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

> What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction? Never really met anyone that described themselves as an 'entrepreneur' that actually was one though. Lots of people that wanted to desperately identify as one and they'd spend all their time telling anyone who'd listen that's what they were. In contrast, the actual entrepreneurs are too busy actually…

Meh, several my friends and I did. Each of us were very successful but we all had slightly nerdy jobs that were a bit hard to explain to muggles.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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That doesn’t change the facts (some of which stated in the post you linked) about the well known problems with homeless in SF.

I don't think anyone is claiming it does. But what's your point, really? It sounds like a conversation that goes like this: "Wow, Lee was likely killed by someone who knew him, another tech entrepreneur." "Yeah, and San Francisco sure has a lot of problems with homeless people." Huh? Discussions about SF's homeless problem are pretty irrelevant to the case at hand. And it's really showing of people's biases that, whe…

This is not bias. You don’t know in advance what the cause of an event is for sure. People mentioned a probable cause (violent homeless) and it happened to be a less probable one (a tech co-worker), although we still don’t know for sure yet. In particular, the influence of drugs and mental illness among the homeless were thought to explain the event.

It’s like predicting the price of a stock that didn’t come true. Not every incorrect prediction is due to selection bias.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #548

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Please don't take HN threads into ideological flamewar hell. Your comment was great until the last paragraph, which swerved dramatically for the worse and basically drove the subthread off a cliff. Comments demonizing other people and/or other groups of people are the scourge of internet forums. If you make it "y'all", that's worse yet, as now the demonized group gets to select itself and feel personally attacked. ht…

The last thread was full of people advocating a violent police response to the homeless and this is the comment you choose to take a stand over?

It's more or less random which comments we "choose to take a stand over". If we see people breaking the rules, we ask them not to. There's no implication of a total ordering, or any hierarchy of abuse.

The idea that if comment X says one thing and Y says another and we reply to X but not Y, that means we're endorsing "violent police responses to the homeless", is... not valid. It's not possible for us to see everything, even in the same thread, let alone all threads.

If you see particularly egregious comments that haven't been moderated, you're welcome to point them out to us and we can take a look. hn@ycombinator.com is the best way to do that.

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