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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by sebzim4500 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #623
sebzim4500 wrote: post #532

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>The conversational UI is a lot less convenient to include advertisements How so? Surely people are going to ask this thing for product recommendations, just recommend your sponsors.

This moves the advertisement opportunity to the chat owner. If you want to use chat (+api) to book a table at a restaurant, then the reservation-api company loses a change to advertise to you vs. if you used a dedicated reservation-web-app.

Oh I see what you mean, yes. The reservation api company will have to get money through other means (either from the user via OpenAI or from the restaurant).

Honestly I see this as a positive change, I'd rather be the customer than the product.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by TeMPOraL »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #760
TeMPOraL wrote: post #730

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The limiting factor is breeding rate. Nobody has time to wait to run this experiment for generations (chimpanzee or human ones). ML models evolve orders of magnitude faster.

Ah. Well that's easy enough to sort. We just need to introduce some practical limit to AI breeding. Perhaps some virtual score keeping system similar to money and an AI dating scene with a high standard for having it. I'm only half joking.

Let humans plug into it to get a peek at statistical distribution of their own prospects, and I think there was a Black Mirror episode just about that.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by timeon »

93po wrote: post #178

Holy shit. Ignore the silly third party plugins, the first party plugins for web browsing and code interpretation are massive game changers. Up to date information and performing original research on it is huge. As someone else said, Google is dead unless they massively shift in the next 6 months. No longer do I need to sift through pages of "12 best recipes for Thanksgiving" blog spam - OpenAI will do this for me an…

> No longer do I need to sift through pages of "12 best recipes for Thanksgiving" blog spam

Advantage that basic Google search still has:

- you can just open the page

- write the query

- scroll past the spam.

ChatGpt workflow is:

- register

- confirm your mail

- and then it asks for phone number...

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Post by pbronez »

crooked-v wrote: post #401
vineyardmike wrote: post #107

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People said this about Alexa/Siri et al and it didn’t happen. ChatGPT is way better at understanding you, so that’s a big boost. It could be a great tool/assistant but it probably won’t replace apps. The problem with those other platforms that this doesn’t address include: - discoverability. How do you learn what features a service supports. On a GUI you can just see the buttons, but on a chat interface you have to a…

> LLMs can’t run locally yet. "Yet" is a big word here when it comes to the field as a whole. I got Alpaca-LoRA up and running on my desktop machine with a 3080 the other day and I'd say it's about 50% as good as ChatGPT 3.5 and fast enough to already be usable for most minor things ("summarize this text", etc) if only the available UIs were better. I feel like we're not far off from the point where it'll be possible…

Agree that Alpaca is Important. I got the smallest one running on a pathetic notebook… 2 cores, 8GB RAM. It was slow. It was sloppy. But it worked. Getting these things running on GPU/NPU will be very compelling, especially if we don’t hit a wall on compression. I think a sweet spot exists where consumer clients are powerful enough and models are small enough to deliver value and privacy.

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Post by pbronez »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #532
vineyardmike wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said this about Alexa/Siri et al and it didn’t happen. ChatGPT is way better at understanding you, so that’s a big boost. It could be a great tool/assistant but it probably won’t replace apps. The problem with those other platforms that this doesn’t address include: - discoverability. How do you learn what features a service supports. On a GUI you can just see the buttons, but on a chat interface you have to a…

>The conversational UI is a lot less convenient to include advertisements How so? Surely people are going to ask this thing for product recommendations, just recommend your sponsors.

I’m already seeing advertisements in New Bing.

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Post by pbronez »

s__s wrote: post #712
pxtail wrote: post #280

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I'm afraid that it has potential to subvert everything, looking at the plugins initiative is not hard to think like this: imagine the world where separate websites and just browsing websites as we know it doesn't exist, instead one is interacting with the model(s) directly to do what needs to be done - asking for news, buying new present for kids, discussing car models with selected price range etc.

It’s an interesting idea, but I’m not convinced the average person has any interest in texting or talking out loud to their device to complete all their computing tasks. It’s slower for most things. Also I think there will be little interest in delegating that level of control to a single source for anything that’s important. For example, say I’ve got 5k to spend on home theatre gear, why on earth should I trust Shop…

That’s what went wrong with Alexa. They figured people would buy stuff via voice, but nobody trusted it for that.

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Post by eternalban »

plutonorm wrote: post #345
raydev wrote: post #285

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> I'd never build anything dependent on these plugins You're thinking too long term. Based on my Twitter feed filled with AI gold rush tweets, the goal is to build something/anything while hype is at its peak, and you can secure a a few hundred k or million in profits before the ground shifts underneath you. The playbook is obvious now: just build the quickest path to someone giving you money, maybe it's not useful a…

I'd not heard this on my tpot. But I absolutely agree, the ground is moving so fast and the power is so centralised that the only thing to do is spin up quickly make money, rinse and repeat. The seas will calm in a few years and then you can, maybe, make a longer term proposition.

> The seas will calm in a few years and then

Amazon, Google, and Microsoft cloud analogs.

We are entirely fortunate that the interests of big tech (edge AI) and democratizing AI (we the little people) align to a sufficient degree.

Decentralizing AI is -far- more important than decentralizing communication, imo.

The get rich quick path of ‘gold rush’ (it works, tbh) could work against this collective self interest if it ends up hyping centralized solutions. If you are on the sideline, the least you could do just cheer (hype :) the decentralized, democratized, and freely accessible candidates.

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Post by moss2 »

throwaway675309 wrote: post #541
johnfn wrote: post #62

A couple (wow, only 5!) months ago, I wrote up this long screed[1] about how OpenAI had completely missed the generative AI art wave because they hadn't iterated on DALL-E 2 after launch. It also got a lot of upvotes which I was pretty happy about at the time :) Never have I been more wrong. It's clear to me now that they simply didn't even care about the astounding leap forward that was generative AI art and were in…

No that wasn't what they had in mind at all, it was pretty clear from the start that they intended to monetize DALL-E. It's just that it turned out that you require far smaller models to be able to do generative art, so competitors like stability AI were able to release viable alternatives before OpenAI could establish a monopoly. Why do you think that Sam Altman keeps calling for government intervention with regards…

I like how you assume that a non-profit organization is hell-bent on monopolizing a market. What you wrote sounds made up, do you have any sources?

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Post by quonn »

eloff wrote: post #293
quonn wrote: post #278

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AGI is still just an algorithm and there is no reason why it would „want“ anything at all. Unlike perhaps GPT-* which at least might pretend to want something because is trained on text based on human needs.

AGI is a conscious intelligent alien. It will want things the same way we want things. Different things, certainly, but also some common ground is likely too. The need for resources is expected to be universal for life.

For us the body and the parts of the brain for needs are there first - and the modern brain is in service to that. An AI is just the modern brain. Why would it need anything?

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Post by 93po »

jprete wrote: post #949
93po wrote: post #926

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If they were a company about infrastructure products, or they were using GPT-4 to manage their infrastructure, I'd weight that more heavily ;)

For all practical purposes they're a subsidiary of Microsoft, which most definitely has a very large public infrastructure offering.

Sure, but I don't really care about Microsoft and they have nothing to do with the progress we've seen so far
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