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The Twitter Files, Part Six

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> Internal documents and Twitter employees reveal the need for massive investment to remove illegal content — but executives haven’t listened > Twitter still has a problem with content that sexually exploits children. Executives are apparently well-informed about the issue, and the company is doing little to fix it. https://www.theverge.com/23327809/twitter-onlyfans-child-sex... https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/twitter-…

Appreciate the verge link. The post link doesn’t really bring new info to the conversation until the trial. It doesn’t seem like there are good answers on how to resolve this issue sadly. I wish there was more transparency on how much these social media giants are spending on this issue, how much is removed per year and average time the content was accessible. It’s hard to judge on the outside the size and scope of t…

> It doesn’t seem like there are good answers on how to resolve this issue sadly.

Actually, the article highlights the internal working group of 84 employees that spent months evaluating Twitter's ability to suppress this exploitive material , concluding that Twitter had major problems in this area and submitting a list of recommendations to fix them that were mostly ignored.

> Aside from enabling in-app reporting of CSE, there appears to have been little progress on the group’s other recommendations.

> Employees say that Twitter’s executives know about the problem, but the company has repeatedly failed to act.

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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> What? They have no “rights” to use Twitter. This is also not even remotely controversial. > Or put another way: the government cannot coerce Twitter or any other platform to carry someone else’s speech. You're making a straw man that's not what I said... The government can't ask or suggest or apply undue pressure to Twitter to ban content. Social media has been sued for this successfully to get people unbanned. The…

Requiring that Twitter not ban Person X is tantamount to requiring that they carry Person X’s content. Which is why people have no “right” to use something like Twitter - making that a right would infringe upon others’ rights. At least that’s how it works under US law. I get the impression you’re not so familiar with American law though? Yes they can ask and suggest removal. They cannot coerce but we have no reason t…

I guess it's too late for you to see this, but the latest Twitter Files show that Twitter did, in fact, feel pressured and coerced.

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/16048884298162094...

In fact, most of the comments in support of Twitter and the FBI throughout these threads are pretty decisively debunked in the continued reports.

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The FBI don't have "mandates" against the Talibans? That doesn't seem to make sense...

The FBI is a domestic law enforcement agency. The Taliban does not really break US laws as a matter of course. If you hear otherwise please report them to the FBI. Honestly it’s not very fruitful arguing this stuff with someone who clearly doesn’t understand the basics of the American system. There are plenty of resources online to learn about all this stuff if you’re interested.

Literally first search result: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorinfo/sirajuddin-haqqani

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Twitter and tech companies are regularly threatened with additional regulation and their executives called before Congress. This is the pressure. It’s already taken place and it’s ongoing. Sure, they could sue. They might or might not win. And Congress can make their life difficult in either outcome. There’s not much you do about that since, very nominally, Congress is supposed to represent the people and not securit…

Government employees get job in related field in private sector… not a groundbreaking revelation and not clear what to do about it. e.g. Trump’s proposal to ban former DoD employees from having jobs relating to American data for 7 years after service is a horrible solution. Well it’s a good way to further cripple our veterans and in general eliminate any remaining appeal of a government job for any half-competent per…

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/16048884298162094...

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Could you please stop using HN primarily for ideological battle? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, so we ban accounts that do it (regardless of what they're battling for or against). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Could you please run HN effectively? I don't like banning websites at my work, but honestly the way "dang" runs shit at HN it seems like the only option is to start IP filtering you.

How about you take a look at the rules and consider which of them are wrong, and what got you into this situation in the first place.

Your compliance is appreciated.

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I think you may be surprised at how many 'TERFs' are dyed-in-the-wool socialists. I know it's convenient to paint this as some left-right political split, but the truth of the matter is quite different. Look up the history of radical feminism - it didn't originate on the political right, quite the opposite. Meghan Murphy in particular is a left-wing, socialist, radical feminist, who was raised in a Marxist household.…

You can't be (a) a socialist and (b) not believe trans people are the gender they identify with

It goes against the essence of socialism and communism.

I know who TERF non-socialist Meghan Murphy is. You can see here that she is not a leftist: https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/08/why-i-left-the-left...

She keeps saying she is. She doesn't understand (I mean I'm sure she does, but she's a lying bigot) that socialism and all the wonders of it don't work if youre being a SWERF and TERF. Things don't work that way. You have to want better conditions for every one. Otherwise...how are we giving people equal chances to succeed?

I think the problem is the vast majority of people have no clue what socialism is. Most people have read no socialist texts, but are inundated with right wing and capitalistic propaganda all the time.

tldr: SWERFs and TERFs are not leftists. Like how people like Jordan Peterson (before), Tim Pool, Dave Rubin are all right wingers through and through, but keep pretending they are centrists. You have to act the act. Not just talk. This applies to Meghan Murphy too.

I have spent dozens and dozens and dozens of hours getting into TERFs. Radical feminism didn't originate on the political right, but at this point trans people are dying and in danger. This is abundantly clear to any dyed-in-the-wool socialists in the 2020s. Even if it wasn't clear decades ago. Or even a decade ago.

Unfortunately you showed your true colors deadnaming Jessica and using the incorrect pronouns.

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I think you may be surprised at how many 'TERFs' are dyed-in-the-wool socialists. I know it's convenient to paint this as some left-right political split, but the truth of the matter is quite different. Look up the history of radical feminism - it didn't originate on the political right, quite the opposite. Meghan Murphy in particular is a left-wing, socialist, radical feminist, who was raised in a Marxist household.…

You can't be (a) a socialist and (b) not believe trans people are the gender they identify with It goes against the essence of socialism and communism. I know who TERF non-socialist Meghan Murphy is. You can see here that she is not a leftist: https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/08/why-i-left-the-left... She keeps saying she is. She doesn't understand (I mean I'm sure she does, but she's a lying bigot) that sociali…

The article you linked shows that she upholds left-wing, socialist, feminist principles much more scrupulously then so many who call themselves "the left". It's no wonder she doesn't want to identify with them as a political group, even though her ideological stance is still firmly leftist.

Here's an insightful article she wrote some years ago that dives further into this problem much of "the left" has, framed around their celebration of the prostitution of women: https://www.feministcurrent.com/2011/11/07/why-does-the-left....

She writes:

"While I have long been a supporter of labour rights, of unions, and have counted myself as a fighting member of the working class who has waivered somewhere between socialism and Marxism from the moment I understood the concept of class struggle, I've found myself suddenly misaligned with some of those with whom I share my end of the political spectrum."

"These are the people I vote for. They represent my interests and ideologies and yet, when it comes to the issue of prostitution, it feels as though we've been pitted against one another."

"On one hand there seems to be a distinct lack of class analysis – we forget that there are reasons that some women are prostituted while others are not, that some women have a 'choice' while others do not. On the other, because decriminalization has, in part, been framed as a labour issue (i.e. that this is a job like any other and, therefore, should be treated in the same way any other service sector job is, in terms of laws), the gender and race factors fall to the wayside and we forget that prostitution impacts women and, in particular, racialized women in an inordinate way."

And:

"The reason for a man to buy sex from a woman is, without a doubt, because he desires pleasure without having to give anything in return. This is a male-centered purchase. If we are to define sex as something pleasurable for both parties then how on earth can we define prostitution as sex work? There is something decidedly unprogressive about calling something 'sex' when the act is, in fact, solely about providing pleasure for one party (the male party) without any regard for the woman with whom you are engaging in this supposed 'sex' with. Doesn't this defy the whole enthusiastic consent model?"

"While I certainly support human rights and worker rights, I also support women's rights and believe that, as a feminist, I cannot and will not work towards normalizing the idea that women can and should be bought and sold. I certainly will not promote this as part of my progressive politics."

And much more - the whole article is very much worth reading. Do you not agree that she makes many thoughtful and well-considered points?

The fundamental problem is that within many leftist groups, there is a huge blind spot when it comes to women's issues. It should not be too much to ask that women be spared from male sexual violence, and women be permitted female-only safe spaces away from men.

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You can't be (a) a socialist and (b) not believe trans people are the gender they identify with It goes against the essence of socialism and communism. I know who TERF non-socialist Meghan Murphy is. You can see here that she is not a leftist: https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/08/why-i-left-the-left... She keeps saying she is. She doesn't understand (I mean I'm sure she does, but she's a lying bigot) that sociali…

The article you linked shows that she upholds left-wing, socialist, feminist principles much more scrupulously then so many who call themselves "the left". It's no wonder she doesn't want to identify with them as a political group, even though her ideological stance is still firmly leftist. Here's an insightful article she wrote some years ago that dives further into this problem much of "the left" has, framed around…

Right so she’s not a leftist as your evidence points out. Every single thing she wrote is so cringe when you say it’s coming from a leftist. It isn’t if you understand socialism and communism.

Like how Tim Pool and his sycophants say he’s a [classic] liberal. As if that means anything to Americans besides code for right-wing. Obviously right wingers can be liberals. Many are. Any one with a nuanced understanding of politics knows that.

Edit: Hilarious. You responded the way you did completely ignoring me having already done the Tim Pool analogy. You’re still going at it Again, have you personally read any socialist or communist or leftist texts? If so, what? It would be embarrassing and shameful for me to be an adult and spout off about different political ideologies without having read up on them.

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The article you linked shows that she upholds left-wing, socialist, feminist principles much more scrupulously then so many who call themselves "the left". It's no wonder she doesn't want to identify with them as a political group, even though her ideological stance is still firmly leftist. Here's an insightful article she wrote some years ago that dives further into this problem much of "the left" has, framed around…

Right so she’s not a leftist as your evidence points out. Every single thing she wrote is so cringe when you say it’s coming from a leftist. It isn’t if you understand socialism and communism. Like how Tim Pool and his sycophants say he’s a [classic] liberal. As if that means anything to Americans besides code for right-wing. Obviously right wingers can be liberals. Many are. Any one with a nuanced understanding of p…

"I have long been a supporter of labour rights, of unions, and have counted myself as a fighting member of the working class who has waivered somewhere between socialism and Marxism from the moment I understood the concept of class struggle"

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Right so she’s not a leftist as your evidence points out. Every single thing she wrote is so cringe when you say it’s coming from a leftist. It isn’t if you understand socialism and communism. Like how Tim Pool and his sycophants say he’s a [classic] liberal. As if that means anything to Americans besides code for right-wing. Obviously right wingers can be liberals. Many are. Any one with a nuanced understanding of p…

" I have long been a supporter of labour rights, of unions, and have counted myself as a fighting member of the working class who has waivered somewhere between socialism and Marxism from the moment I understood the concept of class struggle "

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