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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fomine3 »

datavirtue wrote: post #797
wongarsu wrote: post #744

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It gets kind of lost in the summary, but only devices that are rechargeable via a wired cable have to be chargable via USB-C. So going fully wireless is perfectly legal. It's also perfectly legal to offer other charging ports in addition to USB-C, though that's less likely to happen in phones. And while this regulation puts some limitations on innovation in connectors, Thunderbolt shows that there is lots of room to…

Permitting wireless charging without a USB-C option basically topedos the legislation. This whole affair is going to end up as an embarrassing meme.

Move to wireless only is shame since charge is slow, not good for battery health, breaks many compatibility like wired only CarPlay, and not fixing big file (high quality 4K video) transferring issue.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fomine3 »

dmitriid wrote: post #948
arcticbull wrote: post #708

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Apple hasn't changed the 'fast-changing' lightning connector since 2012, and USB-A lasted from 1996 to, well, present. USB-C came out in 2014 and is likely going to outlive us both. Connectors simply don't change that fast, and I'm not sure why people think they do. I think even the EU can regulate on that kind of schedule.

> USB-A lasted from 1996 to, well, present. USB-C came out in 2014 and is likely going to outlive us both. Connectors simply don't change that fast How convenient of you to forget Mini-USB and Micro-USB and regular USB-B

and Dock?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fomine3 »

CharlesW wrote: post #930
spookthesunset wrote: post #835

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Going wireless charging only is probably not gonna happen anytime soon. Wireless charging is significantly less efficient than wired. The difference might not matter much if you are using power from the wall*, but if you are charging off a battery bank you want as much efficiency as you can--you don't want to waste power! *(being less efficient while charging from wall might not matter to you as an individual but con…

> The difference might not matter much if you are using power from the wall, but if you are charging off a battery bank you want as much efficiency as you can--you don't want to waste power! Wireless power banks are already a thing, and they're great because you don't have to mess around with cables. For those of you not using iPhones, they support standard Qi charging as well as faster and more efficient MagSafe cha…

For wireless power bank, the problem isn't cost but efficiency. Half transferring efficiency compared to wired means that you need double capacity power bank to charge same amount of energy. I want small and wired. Wired is also useful because power bank can be separated so I put it on pocket or bag while I have a phone on my hand.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fomine3 »

kalleboo wrote: post #479

The EU tried very hard, for very many years to signal to the industry "do this yourself so you don't have to legislate it, we don't want to legislate it, you don't want us to legislate it" but Apple (and only Apple) just refused to listen, so here we are. For micro-USB, they got the industry together in a "memorandum of understanding" to get them to self-implement it without regulation, and it worked great - everyone…

Yeah, I don't like EU regulating this but this is finally due to Apple.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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alain94040 wrote: post #661
donatj wrote: post #253

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Transfer speed seems like a non-issue. Wi-Fi 6 is faster than the the internal SSDs read speed. There's no reason to even plug it in for data.

Are you sure? A quick Google shows: Wifi 6 bandwidth: 9.6 Gbit/s M1 SSD read speed: 6000 MB/s So the read speed is about 6X faster than the Wifi 6 bandwidth.

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fomine3 »

enriquec wrote: post #773
woliveirajr wrote: post #522

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Imagine a World where your appliances just work in some sockets and not in others. Where the tires of your car can just be bought from one supplier because it was limited by the car manufacturer. Your toaster just accepts some kind of bread. Your pencil can't be sharpned except with one specific equipament. Your mechanical pencil can use just one kind of pencil lead because it has some specific size. And now imagine…

and literally none of that has happened with no mandates. What a dumb argument. Now the government (that creates no value) now gets credit for "preventing" fictional "horrors" like proprietary bread? statists guna state. seems like some of europe just looooves being told what to do like children

EU shouldn't do anything if Apple is good

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fomine3 »

Bud wrote: post #261
dom96 wrote: post #219

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> What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phones or transfer files? It would at least save me from carrying one power brick + usb cable. Steam Deck (USB C), Switch (USB C), MacBook Pro (USB C) and iPhone is the only odd one out. This does make a significant difference to what I can take with me on holiday.

That's just you, of course. For hundreds of millions of others, this cuts the other way: over a decade's worth of Lightning accessories and cables and docks are out there. Which is why the EU is just being dumb, here. They think they are accomplishing some amazing user-friendly enviro-friendly feat, but all they are really doing is making a lot of Lightning gear out there less useful. And all this to switch to a port…

For usefulness, it's broken if they bought Anker powerbank, Sony headphone, or Apple iPad.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by origin_path »

crote wrote: post #802
bee_rider wrote: post #588

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Thank goodness, micro-usb kinda sucked, especially compared to USB-C (which seems quite good). It is sort of weird that they decided to mandate USB-C rather than creating an ongoing group to keep track of charging and update the rules accordingly (like in the US, where many of our laws create an agency to regulate something rather than having congress pass a new, slightly different law every couple years)

They did. The law states that the European Commission shall monitor market development, market fragmentation, and technological progress, and report on it every few years.

But note that market development is only possible because the EU's reach is limited and it doesn't have any phone makers of its own. Technological progress requires market fragmentation, because progress doesn't turn up on everyone's doorstep simultaneously. So the EU is betting that it can engage in trivial populism like this whilst not losing out on any actual progress, because other parts of the world will 'bail it out' and continue researching such tech. Of course, it just solidifies the situation in which the EU has a pitiful tech sector because why bother introducing new ideas to the market when the EU might at any time randomly ban "fragmentation".

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by origin_path »

dahfizz wrote: post #675
tempest-tost wrote: post #462

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Am I missing something here? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/2010-12-29...

The EU created a technical standard (which basically just says, "use USB Micro-B"). Phone manufacturers voluntarily signed a Memorandum of Understanding, stating that they all agreed to abide by the standard. None of it was binding or involuntary. Which is why Apple never released a micro-B phone and all other manufacturers were able to upgrade to USB-C.

Of course it was binding and involuntary, as the EU is now proving by binding the ones that didn't volunteer. "Do it or else" doesn't make it voluntary because the institution doing the "or else" part is slow.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fsckboy »

blue_light_man wrote: post #607
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…

depending on your definition of "free market", if you're looking for the benefits of a free market, apple's monopolistic behavior is also a source of market failure
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