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Post by rubyist5eva »

wyager wrote: post #165

> Feeling attacked, users of the site became even more aggressive. Over the last two weeks, we have proactively reached out to law enforcement in multiple jurisdictions highlighting what we believe are potential criminal acts and imminent threats to human life What are they talking about? From what I've seen, this is somewhere between grossly exaggerated and completely fictional. Did they see someone post the "300 co…

Yeah this a pretty bold claim with absolutely zero evidence, pretty disgusting.

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Post by LawTalkingGuy »

smlx wrote: post #521
eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

Imagine I own a bunch of billboards around town. A customer comes to me with cash and wants to display someone's personal details and a message encouraging harassment on my billboards. Do I have to wait for law enforcement to stop me from displaying their content? Or can I, as a private company, make a judgement call and decline their business? I think the answer here is pretty obvious and your attempt at passing the…

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Post by IYasha »

makeee wrote: post #48
Test0129 wrote: post #31

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How is this censorship? They are a company and can do business with whoever they please. They are drawing the line at imminent threats to human life. The site has already led to the deaths of multiple people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Suicides_of_harassm...

Imminent? How did they decide?

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Post by dcow »

andrepd wrote: post #874
dcow wrote: post #839

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is: how do you determine that nobody else was taking this seriously? I don't know anything about Kiwifarms, so I may simply look foolish asking this, but: how do you know there was an imminent emergency? Did you conduct your own independent investigation? Or was this a response to some alarming Twitter outrage? Those are the type of questions on my mind. Essentially, did you do all the things one would re…

>Or was this a response to some alarming Twitter outrage? People have died. Byuu/Near comitted suicide after an harassment campaign that lasted years and included death threats, doxing, and harassment both online and irl. Free speech in my book is about protecting people like Near from being harassed into silence or death, more than it is about enabling said harassment campaigns.

Cloudflare is framing this like there is an imminent emergency that they just averted. I think the burden is on them to bear the supporting facts. The blog post doesn't have any.

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Post by IYasha »

rvz wrote: post #732
benmmurphy wrote: post #533

kiwifarms is back up at https://kiwifarms.ru/

So even when Cloudflare bended the knee, nothing has changed and Kiwifarms is still in service via Tor, .ru and have become even more uncensorable, just like 8kun, 4chan, Gab, etc. This sounds like a total failure to bring them down, even Cloudflare knows it.

Lol, if they're now under jurisdiciton of RKN (Russian Censorship Agency), they're walking a thin line.

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Post by johnklos »

cft wrote: post #344

Well I run a service with 100 million registered users and this is why we don't use Cloudflare. We use VeriSign BGP DDoS mitigation which is more expensive than Cloudflare (about 27k per year with our traffic) but i don't have the luxury of losing the business on a Saturday afternoon on a whim of an anonymous Cloudflare censor, their lawyer or even his Majesty Matthew Prince Himself making a preemptive liability deci…

You don't use Cloudflare because you're afraid of them de-platforming you due to social pressure? Are you hosting content that encourages and/or facilitates harassment, violence, suicide, swatting and other illegal activity? Then you should be afraid of being de-platformed, Cloudflare or not.

If you said you're not using Cloudflare because Cloudflare is attempting to become a monopoly that can mix good with bad and prevent anyone from blocking whoever they choose to host, that'd make sense.

But it sounds like you're just bullshitting. Anyone who'd stretch this event to the possibility of "losing business on a Saturday afternoon on a whim of an anonymous Cloudflare censor" is just absolutely bullshitting. You, cft, are full of shit.

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Post by dcow »

depr wrote: post #947
Longlius wrote: post #717

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me then - why does Cloudflare still offer its services to drug dealers? To sites run by terrorist groups like ISIS? To outright criminal scamming operations? I have no faith in your principles. From my perspective, the only principle you have is your share price. That's fine, of course. I don't expect you to stick your neck out or risk your business. But don't pretend like this is some principled stand.

Do you think their stocks would drop in value if they removed drug dealers and other illegal ventures?

Heh, you don’t get 20% of the internet without that content, so…
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