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There's a reason why it seems shocking that Google has been able to balance the ads well enough that people still use it. They haven't! Google has orchestrated a monopoly over search engine distribution that allows them to get away with search results that are dominated by ads and spam, without losing most consumers. Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore. Google has…

"Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore." This bluntness does not go far enough. People do not change defaults, no matter how "easy" it may be to do so. A default is a pre-made choice by someone other than the consumer. There is no set-up process where the consumer makes a choice. The choice has already been made. Consumers do not make this choice. Even if they could…

More about Pichai's role in making Google the default search on more computers and directing search traffic to Google, by any means necessary.

"Pichai started at Google leading product management for the Google toolbar, a critically strategic product that enabled default search queries on different web browsers to go through Google and allow them to track browsing behavior to power the AdWords targeting engine. At the time, Internet Explorer was the "installed by default" incumbent for many users, while Firefox was the alternative browser of choice."

"Pichai identified a weakness in Google's strategy, and Chrome began as a defensive play against the established browsers to protect and grow Google's search business (which still generates much of the company's revenue)."

https://www.productplan.com/learn/sundar-pichai-product-mana...

"Sundar Pichai is the one who introduced the toolbar, which led to an increase in user searches. It was later merged with Chrome, which became the most used web browser in the world."

https://startuptalky.com/sundar-pichai-story/

""Most people here didn't want us to do a browser, so it was a little bit stealthy. Once we had it up and running, I remember showing it to Larry and Sergey - and even then there was a lot of scepticism." But Pichai got his way: Chrome was released in 2008 and now accounts for nearly 60% of the market, according to NetMarketShare, while Internet Explorer languishes on less than 16%."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/07/google-bo...

"You know how Google's the default search engine for many Web browsers? That was Pichai's work."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2015/08/11...

"Pichai's portfolio includes Chrome, Android, search, ad technology, maps, social,commerce and infrastructure."

https://web.archive.org/web/20150226215637/http//www.forbes....

"Ten years ago, the Indian-born Pichai, 42, was a product manager at Google, and his domain consisted of the search bar in the upper right corner of Web browsers. He then persuaded his bosses to wade into the browser wars with Chrome, which in time became the most popular browser on the Internet and led to the Chrome operating system that runs on a line of cheap laptops called Chromebooks."

"Android runs on 1.2 billion devices around the world. It drives users to the company's hugely profitable search engine and the ads on its maps service. Google search and maps are available on phones made by Apple and Microsoft, too, but Google pays those companies referral fees. The more people use Android, the more Google can keep that revenue to itself."

"Google distributes the latest versions free under the agreement that device makers will highlight profitable Google services-especially search and maps-while their own brands and services take a back seat."

"Pichai joined the small team working on Google's search toolbar. It gave users of Internet Explorer and Firefox, the dominant browsers at the time, easy access to Google search. He proposed that Google build its own browser and won the support of the company's co-founders, though he faced an objection from then-CEO Eric Schmidt, who thought that joining the browser wars would be an expensive distraction."

"Rubin had introduced it, but Pichai created an interdisciplinary team with the search group, which had voice search technology and algorithms that could discern what information might be most important to users. "Sundar helped me to formalize a relationship," says Johanna Wright, the product manager who runs Google Now. "Because search and Android sit in two different buildings, we ended up doing a people swap.""

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-24/googles-s...

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Counterpoint: No it's not dying - Sales 2019 161m 2020 182m 2021 257m >If you’ve tried to search for a recipe or product review recently, I don’t need to tell you that Google search results have gone to shit. Not that I usually do but I tried for macbook M1 and apple pie and it gave me ok results - Tom's Guides and a BBC recipe Competition - I don't really know anyone who uses Bing or DDG though I believe they are ou…

For what it's worth you're not the only one. These Google search is awful posts happen a few times a week and I always wonder what I'm doing wrong to not notice. Seems to get me the results i want which is usually wikipedia or SO but then I'm not expecting Google to perfectly review products. What are people not finding and what are they expecting their search engine to do for them? Seem to be a lot of general rants

Yeah I mean it's changed a bit in being more AI like which is better in some ways, worse in others. So I guess if you like to old way it could be annoying.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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> There’s a fun conspiracy theory that popped up recently called the Dead Internet Theory I think we're well on the way ... Was recently pretty shocked, searched for "gas heating repair" and got back at the top some sites with my suburb name in the title. Naturally I thought, wow, if there is a local place I should go there. Clicking into it, it has everything about my suburb - a picture of the local park, and whole…

I am curious, did this small business actually provide the service you were searching for or not? If they do, then it sounds like it was ultimately useful.

it creeped me out and I went further down the list to another place, so I don't know what would have happened if I had tried!

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Still in shock that they killed reverse image search and replaced it with some useless AI tech demo. It used to use the actual image and be able to provide context from where that image was found elsewhere. Now it seems to throw the image at AI and the AI will go "Oh that's a street" then they will just show you streets with similar colors as the image you put in. Completely useless for trying to locate what movie a…

try Yandex, it's really good

My go-to porn finder.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Google started occasionally showing me Quora results where I would have expected Stack Overflow ones instead. (There is absolutely no way I'm touching Quora for anything technical. Or anything, for that matter. At most I might use a Quora post to find links to something actually useful).

So now I'm using Stack Overflow search directly for programming related questions, which has eliminated 75% of my search needs in general.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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There is a fundamental change in Google Search and its purpose.

Google Search no longer is a Search Engine. It's now aiming to be an answer engine.

That may sound like a distinction without a difference, but in practice the changes are profound.

With an answer engine, your goal is to find THE 1 correct answer. So your algorithm consistently refines and eliminate low "accuracy" results. If you reliably knew that only 5% of users found a certain response useful to their query, in an answer engine you get rid of that response because it's clearly "wrong".

In a search engine, however, you retain that response. In fact, you signal boost it, because it clearly shows that even though there is another answer that is chosen by say 90% of users, the 5% usage for the 2nd response indicates that even if it may not be the correct "answer" to the query, it's of value to folks, and is related to the query being searched.

An answer engine eliminates serendipitous connections, because almost by definition those connections are not the answer to the query being asked. A search engine not only doesn't punish a serendipitous connection, it seeks to surface it.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

Google doesn't care about indexing the internet, that's easy. Every other product they have built since search has been about indexing you.
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