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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by graderjs »

floodyberry- wrote: post #467
graderjs wrote: post #200

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As the fumes from the glue entered the lungs and made it's way through the bloodstream, a magical thought formed: "Canceling Joe will be the West's Free speech Kristallnacht".

So if unable to censor, then you "censor internally" in your head by pretending they're an idiot? I understand if you don't have a way to deal with my speech beside mockery, ridicule, or name-calling, ad-hominem or whatever. It's barely a little bit funny, not very funny, and the main thing is it shows you cannot think.

So unable to handle a thing different to what's in your head, because you haven't been thinking critically. Because you've only engaged the culture in a "consumerist" way, absorbing talking points, and getting trained that that when you push a little button that says, "You're a Nazi"--or "You're crazy"--then the "annoying ideas" will be silenced. But none of this is thinking.

And unless you think, then you are not equipped to handle online discussions or deal with information different to what's in your head, because of course you will want it to be silenced and censored.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by graderjs »

iaml wrote: post #445
graderjs wrote: post #106

I'm not sure this website is accurate as Rogan so far has not said anything on Twitter or Instagram about this. Yet if true, this is such BS. It's hard not to see Rogan, with his massive and mostly bipartisan audience, yet still polarizing and controversial discussions, as a litmus test for how well the West really embraces dissent. We're supposed to have invented dissent, right? And Joe Rogan, he's our little free s…

> mostly bipartisan audience Is it though? Before spotify deal it was definitely true, but recently I tried some of his new episodes and he's much more conservative leaning nowadays. So much so I couldn't really watch it, stark contrast to earlier episodes with Duncan Trussel, Bill Burr and others. I heavily doubt he has much liberal audience nowadays.

That's funny. Because I think he's a lot more liberal nowadays.

I remember the pre-Spot days where he was with Alex Jones, and talking about Trump and he really seemed a conservative or "new right" type of talking head at that time. Nowadays to me he seems waaaay more liberal, balanced and middle-of-the-road.

The effect could be that sort of thing that dang always talks about on HN where people have the impression that HN is really "anti-China", but in fact that's an artefact of their exposure to the articles that they engage with (being more likely to be those they disagree with)--or something like that, dang explains it way better. Reality is HN is really a thing with multiple facets...but people feel there is "astro-turfing" and stuff like that, when in fact it only seems that way. Better explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

I guess it would also make sense to me if that was the case because, if not for any other reason, it would be a reality of his platform having increased so much. His wider audience demands and benefits from a wider range of guests with a wider range of views. It also makes sense to me that his own view of his purpose has grown from, "somehow orbiting the Trump, new right sphere" to "someone who talks to people from all backgrounds" about the issues of the day.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by odonnellryan »

toraway1234 wrote: post #930
steelstraw wrote: post #914

It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. He's way too big and off-key to permit him to keep going. The concept of free speech in the US is a mirage: you have it right up to the line where it matters or can threaten power centers, then you don't. Every major institution is united to destroy Rogan, including the WH. The Press Secretary -- speaking on behalf of the US Govt -- demanded Spotif…

Thank god Bitcoin and Web3 exist. Eventually one big content creator is going to move over to Web3 and it will cascade from there. Every Web3 naysayer/sockpuppet will have to eat their lunch. Say Rogan moves to Web3, that's it.

Web3 is still centralized.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by odonnellryan »

flippinburgers wrote: post #509
jcims wrote: post #250

I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.

The thing that is so hard for me to wrap my head around is that it is the LEFT who is doing it this time. I never would have imagined my "team" being the one to do it. In fact, I have to wonder what it is that I "am" anymore.

Why do you think Spotify removed the podcasts?

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Post by sangnoir »

roamerz wrote: post #863
hagy wrote: post #806

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…

>chiefly culturally conservative prude The difference in me (chiefly culturally conservative prude) and the liberal cancel culture is that I won’t try to silence someone’s choices based on my values. You may listen to whatever you want and I hope you get enjoyment out of it. I support your freedoms and a lot of good men have died to protect them.

I'm old enough to remember the Dixie Chicks being cancelled by conservertives for daring to question certain foreign policies concerning the middle east. Ofcourse, it wasn't called "Cancel Culture" then, it was good ol' fashioned patriotic boycott to get them off the airwaves.

The use of language in culture wars are fascinating, I really wish I studied deeply enough in the humanities to really grok it. To my laymen eyes, there are a lot of evolving shibboleths[1], and verbal (or mental) gymnastics to variably identify an activity subjectively based on where on the political spectrum the perpetrator (or poor victim). People are really insist the other side is completely unreasonable, and is to blame for engaging in the culture war.

1. e.g. cancel culture, BIPoC, woke-ism, gender pronouns, virtue-signaling, &tc

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jjice »

kpennell wrote: post #889
jjice wrote: post #885

My opinion isn't even based on all the JRE stuff with Spotify recently, I just don't like Spotify anymore. I use it every day, but only because it's the best I have. The UI changes at least a bit every single quarter, and if I have a weak connection, but my songs are downloaded, I still can't access them. I have to disconnect from any network and then I can access my *downloaded* music. It's slow on my cheap, but rec…

Tons of artists put their music for sale on Bandcamp and make 90% of the sale (very high compared to itunes, amazon, etc.)

I use Bandcamp every opportunity I have, but a good chunk of artists I listen to don't upload their music there.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by RedBeetDeadpool »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #452
cfn wrote: post #423

It looks like they went on rampage yesterday and removed a bunch of episodes. I don't recognize the names (and there too many) so I don't know why that even happened. I have watched a number of JREs and this is odd. I like Spotify a lot but I have no issue leaving them if this is the new policy. There are a lot of music services out there and Spotify shines because of the podcasts.

Apparently it excludes the episode with Dr. Robert Malone, which is the one that ticked off the likes of Neil Young: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT . It's still online, for now. I actually listened to that one and even though I don't agree with everything that was discussed during that 3 hour interview, a few things struck me as odd in the huge wave of criticism that followed. - Dr Malone has…

> few growing concerns regarding the special status of Pfizer at this point

https://odysee.com/@Plazma:9/BroughtToYoubyPfizer:1

Absolutely not! Pfizer is not getting any sort of special treatment.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by mhoad »

roamerz wrote: post #863
hagy wrote: post #806

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…

>chiefly culturally conservative prude The difference in me (chiefly culturally conservative prude) and the liberal cancel culture is that I won’t try to silence someone’s choices based on my values. You may listen to whatever you want and I hope you get enjoyment out of it. I support your freedoms and a lot of good men have died to protect them.

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by RupertHandjob »

jupp0r wrote: post #804
eej71 wrote: post #774

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I do agree with your underlying defense of private property. Spotify has a legal right to do this. There is no contractural issue here. And this is not censorship. But there is a cultural question that I think this defense sidesteps a bit. I'd frame it as a question. What level of heterodox opinion would you encourage Spotify (and the like) to tolerate? What opinion would be heterodox to you or your peers that you'd…

Not sure whether your question was rhetorical but here is a suggestion anyway: Draw the line where people spread lies or harass others so that actual harm gets done in the real world. Alex Jones got deplatformed after some of his fans were threatening grieving Sand Hooks families. Joe Rogans episodes were removed after they spread misinformation that convinces people to not get vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic,…

Lol. Why is the Dr.Mallone and Dr.Peter McCullough interview still there? Those are the controversial ones. They did not say not take the vaccines. Dr.Mallone said that he is vaccinated.

Do some research first.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by zimpenfish »

WithinReason wrote: post #936
zimpenfish wrote: post #917

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> It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. Apparently those 70 episodes have racial slurs in. It's not really an "all-out war on Rogan" as much as "Spotify don't want to be seen to be hosting racial slurs in their most visibly public content that they made a specific point of paying $$$ for", right?

Why not just beep the word though?

Yep, that would work in isolated cases. Maybe some of them will be reinstated if that happens?
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