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Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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Apple created their own silicon. Fedex uses its own pilots. The USPS uses it's own cars. If you're a company relying upon AWS for your business, is it okay if you're down for a day, or two while you wait for AWS to resolve it's issue?

> Apple created their own silicon Apple designed their own silicon, a third party manufactures and packages it for them.

Pedantic, -1.

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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I understand that, but eventually they need to evaluate performance, for promotions, demotions, raises, cuts, hiring, firing, etc. How is that done?

It’s standard. Career ladder [1] sets expectation for each level. Performance is measured against those expectations. Outages don’t negatively impact a single engineer. The key difference is the perspective. If reliability is bad that’s an organizational problem and blaming or punishing one engineer won’t fix that. [1] An example ladder from Patreon: https://levels.patreon.com/

> The key difference

The key difference between what and what?

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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Can’t comment on most of your post but I know a lot of Amazon engineers who think of the CoE process (Correction of Error, what other companies would call a postmortem) as punitive

I don't know any, and I have written or reviewed about 20

Even in a medium decent culture, with a sample of 20? You know at least one, you just don't know it.

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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One time gcp argued that since they did return 404s on gcs for a few hours that wasn’t an uptime/latency sla violation so we were not entitled to refund (tho they refunded us anyway)

Man, between costs and shenanigans like this, why don't more companies self-host?

If you think that’s bad you should see the outages when you self host without a big enough team to really manage it.

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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I can’t turn on my lights… the future is weird

And that is why my lighting automation has a baseline req that it works 100% without the internet and preferably without a central controller.

So basically it's just a toggle switch?

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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The fun thing about these types of outages are seeing all of the people that depend upon these services with no graceful fallback. My roomba app will not even launch because of the AWS outage. I understand that the app gets "updates" from the cloud. In this case "updates" is usually promotional crap, but whatevs. However, for this to prevent the app launching in a manner that I can control my local device is total BS…

there's a reason it is called the Internet of things, and not the "local network of things". Even if the latter is probably what most customers would prefer.

In a traditional internet style architecture, your Roomba and phone would both have globally routable addresses and could directly communicate - your local network would provide hosts with internet connectivity.

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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Hiding behind a throw away account does not help your point.

The person is unlikely to have been authorized as a spokesman for AWS. In many workplaces, doing that is grounds for disciplinary action. Hence, throwaway.

Well, when you talk about blameless post mortems and how they are valued at the company... A throw-away does make me doubt that the culture supports being blameless :)

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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https://awsmaniac.com/aws-outages/

Thanks. That shows that OPs claim that "Usually, if us-east-1 goes down, others soon follow." is false.

Cognito (and r53) have hard dependencies in us-east-1. It’s mentioned up and down this thread.
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