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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by urthor »

sergioisidoro wrote: post #412

A fair warning to developers: You're getting into an adventure with M1. From docker images not built for M1 with segmentation faults on qemu (eg. Liquibase for spring developers), to _significant_ troubles trying to make React native apps build with the M1 and XCode. Don't get me wrong, I have a Macbook air M1 and I love it, but it hasn't been a love without pain. Also, the magsafe feels like it comes too late. Almos…

It's very difficult to justify the purchase because ultimately I've switched to thin client for serious development long ago.

I guess I'll use the unrivaled performance per watt to drive Jetbrains.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by PedroBatista »

urthor wrote: post #951
sergioisidoro wrote: post #412

A fair warning to developers: You're getting into an adventure with M1. From docker images not built for M1 with segmentation faults on qemu (eg. Liquibase for spring developers), to _significant_ troubles trying to make React native apps build with the M1 and XCode. Don't get me wrong, I have a Macbook air M1 and I love it, but it hasn't been a love without pain. Also, the magsafe feels like it comes too late. Almos…

It's very difficult to justify the purchase because ultimately I've switched to thin client for serious development long ago. I guess I'll use the unrivaled performance per watt to drive Jetbrains.

> I guess I'll use the unrivaled performance per watt to drive Jetbrains.

So you're advocating for nuclear power?

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by rsynnott »

cletus wrote: post #201

And so ends the last of the Dark Days of Johnny Ive. Don't get me wrong: he innovated a lot. My theory is when Jobs died, he lost his counterbalance and his designs suddenly became without compromise (no that isn't a good thing). It's when we saw the 12" Macbook as the crusade for thinness at all costs (terrible performance, only one port, a terrible version of the macbook Air), the end of the Macbook Air (before get…

> It's when we saw the 12" Macbook as the crusade for thinness at all costs (terrible performance, only one port, a terrible version of the macbook Air)

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised they haven't brought this back with an M1 in it. It was mostly terrible due to compromises forced by the terrible chip it used; an M1 would be within its power envelope.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Fiahil »

Sephr wrote: post #780
mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Bringing back a dedicated HDMI port is a downgrade. This port can only do 4K 60Hz HDR (implying HDMI 2.0), which is inferior to previously-supported standards in addition to taking up space as a single-purpose port. The Intel MacBook Pro 16 supports DisplayPort 1.4 over USB-C, which can do 4K 98Hz HDR, and doesn't take up dedicated single-purpose ports.

Not a dowgrade as many conference rooms are still equiped with HDMI and it's still more practical to use when you are unsure about the setup.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by sumedh »

usui wrote: post #281

I really enjoy the way that they admitted their design mistakes of the past by having the speaker mention that users love tactile function keys and made it come back. They tried their best to say it was a mistake without explicitly stating it. It's almost like they did real design and usability studies, and then acted on it! I find it so surprising that in this day, a big tech company is actually listening to its pro…

> (at least more than before).

I think this happened because Jonny Ive left Apple.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by itsdsmurrell »

makeitdouble wrote: post #847
ChuckMcM wrote: post #479

Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

> Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. I was also surprised at how high the maxed out laptops can go in price. From memory, around the 2015 model line the top end would be at around $3000 without the crazy disk options. There was a rule of the thumb that Apple priced their product at a rough ratio of $2 / day. That would give 4 year for my 2014 laptop, and it mostly did.…

Money printer go brr.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by johndoe0815 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #738
sergioisidoro wrote: post #412

A fair warning to developers: You're getting into an adventure with M1. From docker images not built for M1 with segmentation faults on qemu (eg. Liquibase for spring developers), to _significant_ troubles trying to make React native apps build with the M1 and XCode. Don't get me wrong, I have a Macbook air M1 and I love it, but it hasn't been a love without pain. Also, the magsafe feels like it comes too late. Almos…

I'm curious about the docker image situation. I had thought that the M1 could natively emulate x86 instructions. So why then can you not run the native x86 docker images? Is it a virtualisation issue?

The M1 does not emulate x86 instructions (in hardware). Emulation is provided by Rosetta 2, a combined ahead-of-time and just-in-time emulation that can run x86-64 macOS binaries on Aarch64. However, there is still some hardware support for Rosetta 2 in the M1, e.g. to support strong memory ordering.

More details on Rosetta 2 internals can be found at https://ffri.github.io/ProjectChampollion/

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