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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by dragonwriter »

outworlder wrote: post #760
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

> Same way you won't get good mileage on any car if you do that

Er, no, traditional gas cars fuel economy is optimal in freeway driving, despite the fact that more delivered energy is required than at slower speeds. Hybrids and electric cars, which can be closer to peak delivery efficiency over a broader range of speeds, have peak economy at lower speeds.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Scoundreller »

rootusrootus wrote: post #870
wearywanderer wrote: post #785

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Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature... but not in the way you mean. It can be done safety, but when done incorrectly (if the house isn't removed from the grid first) it can kill linemen. It's a good thing most generators a homeowner might causally buy at the hardware store don't have this feature. Unfortunately I've seen male-to-male extension cords sold online for this purpose. I think thes…

Yes you definitely have to get it installed by a licensed electrician (and possibly approved then by the local utility) if you are going to backfeed your own house. It is good that people are aware of the risk, but in reality the risk is quite low. It is standard procedure for a lineman to ground a line he's about to work on, to mitigate the risk of any power source feeding it. But I'd never advocate a DIY setup. But…

Shouldn't this be called a "homicide cord"? It's the unsuspecting lineman that'll be harmed, not the homeowner, right?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by dosshell »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #795
zip1234 wrote: post #428

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Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Every single near-miss I've had while walking in Minneapolis has been due to the driver not paying attention. There wasn't a single time it was due to lack of visibility from inside the vehicle. My yelling at one driver who was staring at her phone while driving out of a parking ramp and across the sidewalk where she nearly hit me, probably woke her up enough to avoid driving into traffic and being hit by a bus! No,…

Good that the car has DMS then :)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwaway2037 »

bostonvaulter2 wrote: post #865
JeremyNT wrote: post #550

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> I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore You're not kidding! I was in the market for a small pickup and checked out the Tacoma and Frontier, which I previously understood to be "small" trucks. They're massive these days, just like the F-150! I guess it's perceived that there's no market for that size any more. A small ele…

I wonder if there are hidden systematic considerations that make it so that trucks the size of Japanese mini trucks simply appear to not exist in the united states. Here's the first DDG link about these trucks: https://jpnautoimport.com/mini-truck%EF%BC%86jdm

Crash test safety is the answer.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ad8e »

The webpage has an odd feature which is unrelated to the car itself. Many of the pictures are taken at a low angle, from waist height or a lower surface. Most are below head height. I think Ford's goal with this technique is to make the truck seem larger.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by illirik »

endisneigh wrote: post #118
WillPostForFood wrote: post #87

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The advantage of a truck is you can carry more, or taller things, and they don't get the inside of your vehicle dirty. imagine you just mowed a wet, muddy lawn, do you want the mower in the back of your minivan, or in the bed of truck? Also, many tall things that you might haul in the back of truck can't simply be reposition into a minivan (tall and long or tall and many).

Ah yes, that's a good point. Other than tall or dirty objects, is there any reason to get a truck? Genuinely curious, because at some point I'll have kids and wonder what the trade-off is between minivan (more people) and truck (more hauling) is with an electric vehicle.

Speaking from the perspective of having generally owned older trucks (currently a '97 Dodge Ram 1500, previously an '84 Ford F350) - conventionally built, body-on-frame pickups are easier to repair and maintain. Most minivans are monocoque, whereas full-size pickup trucks have enough space between the internals to make DIY repairs straightforward. On my 84 F350, I could fit my head between the tire and the wheel well to bleed the brakes easily; on my current '97 Ram, you can replace body panels using a socket wrench.

EVs may tilt the equation, but one thing Big Three US automakers have absolutely perfected for their trucks over the last 40 years is maintainability. Go on autotrader.com, search "Ford F-150" or "Dodge Ram 1500" and sort mileage high to low - can a 20 year old minivan travel roughly the same distance as the moon and back?

source: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtm...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by VBprogrammer »

thallium205 wrote: post #869
VBprogrammer wrote: post #194

I notice they make a huge deal about the towing capacity but realistically what is the range of this going to be hooked up to a 10,000lb / 5000kg trailer? Maybe if it's lucky a little over 100 miles? Maybe useful for some utility use cases but practically useless for the recreational vehicle market.

This YouTube video breaks it down. Basically they are god awful for towing. https://youtu.be/S4W-P5aCWJs

Yeah, it's something I've been keeping an eye on. My father in law doesn't see how electric cars can work, one of his main objections is he tows a caravan. Admittedly UK caravans are pretty light, 1400kg is about the middle of the range. There are now a couple of pure electrics with enough towing capacity (Tesla X, Audi E-tron, Volvo something or other).

Unfortunately, there isn't much getting away from the fact that towing a big box behind a car halves the economy, and while those cars are starting to have very useable ranges, even if you need to occasionally travel longer distance, halving those ranges leaves you a bit short.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jdhzzz »

_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

> good acceleration to appeal to the macho truck crowd who will hold their nose while making the plunge to electric so they can feel good about themselves when they floor the accelerator at stoplights and onramps.

I have a Mustang Mach e and can't emphasize this enough. It makes tooling around my suburban enclave a pleasure as I go from 0 to 30 mph in a blink.

I entered an on-ramp with a BMW behind me. Honestly, I wasn't trying to make a point, but the BMW swung around me as we entered the highway and it was on. Then it was done. Giggle.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by KoftaBob »

ffggvv wrote: post #144
anotherQuarter wrote: post #6

I hope the ability to use your EV battery to backup your house power becomes an expected capability in the future. Glad Ford included it. Too bad Tesla backed away from it, i’m guessing due to their powerwall business.

i wonder how long a car could possibly power a house

The average household electricity consumption per day is 28.9 kWh. For comparison, the Tesla Model X long range has a battery capacity of 100 kWh.

So in theory, a fully charged Model X could power the average home for 3 days. Really puts into perspective how much energy is needed to move a car at highway speeds.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by hiharryhere »

tw04 wrote: post #95
WillPostForFood wrote: post #60

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If a touchscreen is bad for volume, it is probably bad for most other up and down adjustments too (e.g. temp). I'd argue touch screens are bad for everything when you are driving, because you can't feel your way around.

I don't disagree, I just tend not to adjust those as frequently. I think Ram has a nice balance between physical and touch: https://i.imgur.com/anDbKgG.jpg In general I prefer knob controls for things like temperature and volume, but the physical up/down is ok

Oh man, I'm not sure I agree that anything in that Ram dash looks either nice or balanced. That thing is a mess.

I agree with the sentiment though. I think Mazda and Volvo have had sensible approaches.

On the Ram example though, how would I change what I'm listening to? Would I press:

- select source - favourites - for you - audio - categories - media - related - search - apps - tune - > arrow at top - CH arrows at bottom

All those buttons are present at the same time

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