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US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Post by Scottn1 »

newaccount7 wrote: post #830
yumraj wrote: post #814

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what were your symptoms that led you to go to the hospital to get checked for clots? What is someone getting a vaccine as such is supposed to look for?

I got a little out of breath doing simple tasks like walking briskly or picking up my kids, and I had a pain in my back (actually lung) that gradually got worse over a few days. Eventually the pain was severe enough that I went to the ER. Looking back, the shortness of breath was a key indicator. It wasn't that I was struggling to breathe or anything, but I felt like I couldn't take a big deep breath easily and that'…

ok now I'm worried. I got the JJ vaccine 4 weeks ago. Suffered semi bad flu for few hours that night then after felt great. Now some who now me may consider me a hypochondriac but I've felt a tad "off" since the vaccine but kept it to myself. Maybe only 2-3 tiny lightheadedness episodes while walking the dog (nothing major just more of "what was that"), or some very minor chest tightness and stomach bloating feel.

But last week (would have been 3 weeks after shot) I awoke in the middle of the night with pretty a bad chest pain like you describe. Felt like it was in middle of my chest and was quite painful. I had to physically sit up in my bed for about 5 minutes hoping it would subside. I got up and got some water and hoped it didn't get worse as I started contemplating what I should do if it does.

I was so tired though I just propped myself up with pillows and slept sitting up against the headboard because laying down seemed to make it come back worse. I eventually fell asleep and when I woke for the day I still felt a small amount of pain still. Went about my day normally and it seemed to go away later in the day.

I would think I am out of the window by now after 4 weeks to which I am in any danger from what I'm reading on news sites? I've been the gym since that episode and have done cardio fine. My wife suggests I take some low-dose aspirin for next few days.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Post by fastball »

kmlx wrote: post #900
jopsen wrote: post #885

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(A) vaccination means less social distancing sooner. Lots of people are interested that. (B) covid-19 might very well become endemic. Like how the common cold is always around. It's not so bad if we're vaccinated. But for those that don't get vaccinated hurd immunity might not cover them. In practice: I think we just need to be honest about the risk of vaccines. And say that taking it is the patriotic thing to do :)

> vaccination means less social distancing sooner. i guess you can put it like that. from my understanding the vaccines do reduce the transmissibility of the virus, but they do not lower it to zero [0]. you can still get the virus, but with the vaccine your chances of needing hospitalisation drop to zero [1]. i guess this is why you still need to wear a mask, and still need to socially distance even if you are vaccin…

No vaccine ever reduces transmissibility to zero. Vaccines prime your immune system to fight off the invader as quickly as possible, but they are not a magic shield that prevents the invader from ever entering your system. And if it is in your system, it is of course possible to transmit it.

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Post by queuep »

5cents wrote: post #902
haswell wrote: post #884

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> the risk of dying from the vaccine for young women was higher than the risk of dying from the virus Do you have a good source you'd recommend for this? I couldn't find this bit of info from the first few articles I skimmed. > After the concerns about AZ turned out to be justified and AZ being banned for certain age groups you'd think that people would get a clue about unconditional vaccine cheerleading. Who is unco…

In Norway: Women The astrazeneca vaccine was put on hold, if not, it's not hard to imagine the number of fatalities surpassing the number of covid-19-related deaths, even when ignoring comorbidities [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/dai... [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104882 [2] https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/GaOr3l/monica-aafloey-hansen-54-...

Where in [1] does it state that 4 died? There seems to be 2 women who died. Patient 3, a man who were discharged and healthy. Patient 4, discharged, healthy. Patient 5, is unclear I think, wether it survived or deceased.

Edit, please correct me if I'm wrong, it's very important that we don't spread false information regarding this.

Edit 2: There seems to be four, https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202103/1219441.shtml

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Post by dang »

duckfang wrote: post #460
jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

Birth control is already severe blood clots at 1:1000 . Only affects people with uteruses. That's cool. This is 1:1000000 of a severe event, but affects men as well. HOLD THE LINE - It affects a.... Man!

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what the site is for and we ban that sort of account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by idlewan »

_rs wrote: post #940
disabled wrote: post #872

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It's not just a "blood clot" or some "rare type of blood clot". This was what I posted in this post about the European Medicines Agency acknowledging the AstraZeneca vaccine (which I was inoculated with) was linked to something never seen before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26725232 > "Zero surprises here. Both Norwegian and German research teams identified the /actual specific novel antibody/ that causes th…

Do you have any resources to read more about the research teams and their findings? Most of the articles I'm reading are very hand-wavy about the specifics/science and I'd love to actually learn more about the cause and condition.

This one is about how they found out the link for the AstraZeneca vaccine: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/13/how-uk-docto...

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Post by timr »

electrondood wrote: post #937
timr wrote: post #806

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> The official covid death count is likely an undercount of deaths caused by covid, because a number of people died from covid related complications and got recorded as pneumonia, Alzheimer’s, or heart disease/attack/stroke related deaths. That's a theory. Meanwhile, we know that many places are classifying anyone who dies within N days of a positive test (N is typically 30) as a "covid death", regardless of actual c…

I mean... there was a deadly global pandemic. It seems like you're just splitting hairs to discredit the fact that we're likely significantly undercounting COVID deaths.

You're asserting something without proof, what I'm telling you is a fact, and a "deadly global pandemic" doesn't invalidate facts and make assertions true.

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Post by conistonwater »

throwawayboise wrote: post #533
conistonwater wrote: post #187

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Wait, that doesn't sound quite right: the benefit of taking the vaccine goes not only to you, it's also to the people you would have otherwise infected by spreading the virus yourself.

If I'm vaccinated, I'm protected. I don't really care if anyone else is vaccinated or not, as I'm not at risk from their decision. Or is this not true?

No, vaccines effectiveness can be substantially lower than 100%, so if you're vaccinated, depending on the vaccine type, you still might not be protected. It's much like the normal vaccines for the normal diseases, you don't always know if you're fully protected yourself so you end up relying on other people being vaccinated too.

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Post by _karl_b_12 »

js2 wrote: post #702

The risk of dying from a blood clot after receiving the J&J vaccine is six in 6,800,000 (6.8M). The world population is 7,900,000,000 (7.9B). If everyone on the planet got the J&J vaccine tomorrow, and if it is the cause of the clots, then 6,971 people would die from the vaccine. Yesterday, Covid19 killed 8,803 people (according to worldometers). We don't want anyone to die from vaccination, and we don't fully unders…

>> Yesterday, Covid19 killed 8,803 people (according to worldometers).

I'm certainly not denying Covid19, but I do take all the statistics with a grain of salt. It's important to understand that those people died with, not necessarily of Covid19. Also, why are so many positive tested persons without any signs of illness? I wonder what numbers would result in testing every death for other viruses.

The best, maybe only number we can properly compare is the total death rate. In doing so we see that Covid19 causes additional deaths, but it is far from as severe as the media and politics suggest.

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Post by gnfargbl »

ryankemper wrote: post #842
fastball wrote: post #743

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This is not really true, as demonstrated by the PDF linked in the GC.

It is true; the PDF linked in the GC has to make a number of assumptions and is very obviously made from a point of bias (which does not invalidate its claims but warrants extra scrutiny). Also it's comparing raw ICU admissions, but there are a number of really nasty adverse reactions that don't throw you in the ICU. The general "second shot syndrome" that something like half of people getting Pfizer/Moderna experien…

> is very obviously made from a point of bias

Why do you believe that? It seems to me that the reputational damage caused by the U of C centre putting out bad slides is going to be stronger than any benefit they might get from being "seen to be a team player" or similar. Skepticism is always good but in this particular case, I do trust that evidence.

> there are a number of really nasty adverse reactions that don't throw you in the ICU

OK, but you can make the same argument for COVID. It seems to me that the slides are at least comparing apples with apples.

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Post by argvargc »

jrockway wrote: post #936
argvargc wrote: post #732

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Zero experiments have been done on long-term effects, and you cannot, and no one can, counter this point. That's the definition of "rushed". Vaccines typically take several years of testing before being approved. These aren't approved according to those standards. Manufacturers are absolved from risks because of this "emergency use" status. Why absolve them if there are no risks? If they truly believed these were saf…

Things are "rushed" because it's an emergency. SARS-CoV-2 has existed for a little more than a year, and it's already killed 3 million people. At some point, you have to take the leap of faith that this thing that's very much like other things is going to actually be very much like those other things. mRNA vaccines are not new. Adenovirus vaccines are not new. Vaccines are brought to market in less than a year routin…

9 million - including many children, and mostly people of colour - die each year of starvation. Where's the emergency, trillions and unprecedented worldwide cooperation and effort to eradicate that forever within less than a year? It doesn't even require the invention of anything new, and is primarily a logistical (/expense) problem. Would save three times as many lives just in the first year, overwhemingly more life years overall, and be much easier to implement, being confined to mainly a few known, poorly-resourced areas (rather than the entire earth).

If you've seen or lived the effects of starvation firsthand, you'd find it difficult to understand why suddenly everyone is willing to do anything, even destroy their own livelihoods or take rush-developed intravenous shots, to try and save the lives of a significantly smaller number of predominantly elderly people who were about to die of just about anything else anyway, at the expense of those 9 million (or any other of preventable causes of death that kill in higher numbers per year and have been known about for decades, for example: smoking).

Why not spend a year making the manufacturing of cigarettes illegal, have a worldwide crackdown with cigarette company executives hauled to jail for crimes against humanity, make it illegal to depict smoking in any media, censor all images of cigarettes, and launch a 24/7 every news channel, every street corner propaganda campaign, with celebrities publicly blacklisting smokers?

Save significantly more lives in the first year, and keep doing so year after year. Wouldn't need to trash the economy, ruin businesses, or risk plunging anyone into poverty, etc - and no need for anyone to take a rushed, long-term untested shot.

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