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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Radicalism and inciting to violence should be bubbled not amplified.

Unfortunately, you're bubbling away people who believe in free speech and free thought as well, and there are probably a lot more of those. edit: Adding a bit more, the people being bubbled away will likely tend to just isolate. You might think you like that idea, but having spent some time in isolation, I will attest that it kind of messes with your head. You lose your "phase lock" with society on a lot of different…

Technically this is not even bubbling, at least not how google implemented it, as I understand. Im not on Twitter but if anyone knows, does this action by twitter actually bubble Trump away form people who otherwise would have seen his feed?

And by freedom of speech and thought, how about for twitter? Arent’t they a private company?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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This is amazing news, and I hope Twitter adopts this policy for all rules violations. Much better than deleting tweet or banning accounts, this lets people decide what they want to see. (Except for obvious spammers etc. which should probably be banned.) Even better would be if there were user-configurable "lists", whereby you could decide upfront what you want / don't want to see (like many sites do right now with NS…

Dorsey has explicitly stated that because user-defined filters will lead people to remain blissfully unaware of ideas that challenge their own, he does not want Twitter to follow that path.

It's a tough call. In some sense, for any global website that doesn't want to impose its own moral code upon the world, it makes the most sense to be hands-off and let users judge for themselves what to see and what not to. On the other hand, doing so would amplify the echochamber effect that's already strongly present on Twitter.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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We have laws in the UK that curtail speech like that, "Inciting violence" is a crime. Which I agree with to some extent, you're not innocent of a crime because you convinced a person to harm another, just because you were too cowardly to get your hands dirty yourself. But the US is rather famously not British, so I'm not sure if it's a relevant thing to add to the discussion.

Part of the issue is if you're hostile to the speaker, you can interpret a call for peace to mean a call for violence. Try to imagine for a moment, that this comment was not made by an evil racist orange man, but someone you like... maybe Ghandi. If Ghandi said: "Looting leads to shooting." Which interpretation would you more likely choose? 1. Please don't loot, it escalates violence and people will get killed 2. Let…

This seems like attempting to weasel-word. If Ghandi said "We have a lot of guns, and looting leads to shooting", it's a lot more clear that the meaning is (2). Trumps tweet didn't just say that one sentence, it said, in order:

* "the Military is with [the governor]"

* "any difficulty and we will assume control"

* "when the looting starts, the shooting starts"

There's a clear causal relationship between these three statements, this is not a plea for peace, it is a threat of violence.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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I’m curious to understand HN’s algo: Why has this thread, with over 1299 comments, decayed so quickly to the bottom of the 2nd page?

more upvotes -> higher more time passed, more comments -> lower

So comments actually work against it?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Instead of being the police, Twitter should do what Rotten Tomatoes does. There are plenty of people - journalists and researchers analyzing the facts behind what celebrities say. They should analyze what the analysts say and display a score.

The problem then becomes, who decides which tweets to fact-check? If most politicians at the higher levels are liars, singling out a few of them is unfair even if Trump is notorious for it. Twitter can clearly not fact-check every single tweet on its platform. But what if they did it for every tweet (maybe from a verified account) that X people report for being untruthful? Trump would look bad even if Twitter held ev…

Who decides which Tweats to fact-check: If someone is famous enough, you can bet that there will be at least one reporter frothing for the opportunity to be counted among trusted fact-checkers. Twitter might have to figure out a balance among reviewers but thats a lot less work than fact-checking each message.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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post #809

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We can hope Twitter adopts and enforces policies equally across the board, but they won't and I don't think they can either. As an example of how they won't do so, consider that there are people literally organizing violent riots and destruction of property on Twitter right now, and they have not been banned or had their tweets/accounts hidden. Ilhan Omar's daughter was caught doing so herself, amplifying rioting sup…

Twitter don't ban for mere misgendering; anti trans Twitter has been left alone to harass for years, although I believe Glinner finally got banned.

Earlier this year, the rapper Zuby was suspended for tweeting "Ok dude" to a trans person:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ok-dude-twitter-susp...

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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The neutral companies, such as utilities, online hosting or financial providers serve nearly everyone with little objections - they defer to the law rather than any internal policies. The more selective companies such as newspapers and TV channels are expected to restrict who can get published. By representing itself both as an open platform and as a company with progressive values, Twitter has put itself into an awk…

A number of countries are directly demanding they remove content that is considered "terrorist" or in some way an incitement to violence. Realistically, they have no choice but to have policies that forbid any such content on the platform.

France, for example, recently passed a law demanding that various illegal content be removed in 1 hour or 24 hours, or face enormous fines: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52664609

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

#960

I can’t believe everyone is suddenly in favour of censorship. Do you want 1984? Because this is how you get 1984.

Censorship comes in many forms. Governmental censorship? Bad. Self-censorship of a platform such as Twitter, good, and necessary.

Self censorship? How do you know those doing the censoring aren’t bought and paid for? Censorship is bad - period.
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