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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by stuntkite »

wilsonnb wrote: post #936
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Audio production on linux is pretty good, well not for everyone, but it's got a lot to offer. I spent years with logic / Ableton live on OSX. I'm moving to a more barebones approach these days with linux and supercollider. Still nothing for the creative suite except for wine though.

You might be interested in looking at Bitwig Studio for audio production. I've heard it's similar conceptually to Ableton Live and it runs natively on Linux. https://www.bitwig.com/en/home.html I agree that audio production on Linux is pretty good these days. Ardour is a pretty good DAW. The only problems are jack being a PITA sometimes and the lack of plugins.

I got bitwig as soon as it came out. It does some things fantastically! The apt-like package manager is badass. I haven't tried again in about a year but every time I've used it the massive instability reminds me of mediocre DAWs that drove me to live in 2003.

The reason I went with bitwig was to support anyone doing anything that wasn't quite Live because everything is made with Ableton now and I can hear it. Also the collaborative features that didn't work when I last tried them. Moving to Supercollider has solved all those issues for me. It's also cross platform and free.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by jeremiep »

promeus wrote: post #713
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I still prefer the "closed fence" that is macOS over the complete mess that is desktop on linux. macOS was really really liberating after years of frustrations with all of gnome, kde and xfce. Then was x11 vs mir vs wayland. Desktop on linux is pretty much still a toy when compared to desktop on macos. There seem to be a lot of misconceptions about the whole developer's environment thing. "Made by developers, for dev…

I beg to differ: Take a look at current state of MacOS. There is nothing wrong in idea of quality control with emphasis on security, but actual os implementation lacks it. Only Apple can survive root fiasco from this year. I think that a need of commercial desktop linux distribution is present. I remember commercial SUSE 11. It was a good desktop, but targeted in a wrong direction, if someone is brave enough to targe…

Where does it say Apple is mobile only?

Last I checked getting a 4K monitor to work under linux was a very involved series of configurations. My current MacBook has a retina display and effortlessly supports a 4K monitor as secondary screen. Retina alone is a game changer.

Combined with better text anti-aliasing it makes macOS by far the most pleasing/productive experience for development I've ever used (disclaimer: I have over a decade of experience in both Windows/Linux desktops.)

I stopped believing in desktop on linux a few years ago (and I really wanted it to work!) Things are getting more fragmented instead of unified; that adds lots of extra work for users and app developers, which result in a frustrating experience and vastly different UIs depending on versions/toolkits used. I don't think a commercial desktop will change any of that, even a fully dedicated and financed team will take years to barely get on-par with the desktop on macOS.

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Post by theelous3 »

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I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

Find me a 15" 16:10 or 4:3 laptop with a *nix based OS, 4 cores, and 16GB of RAM and I'll switch any day. Unfortunately, there's only one choice for all those requirements right now.

Xps 15, aero 15 are v nix compat. Think the xps comes in a developer edition that's default ubuntu

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by jcfrei »

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Apple frequently introduces changes to its OS that caters to the average user without any hindsight for developers. A good example I had to deal with; I wanted to change the port the SSH daemon listens on. With El Capitan and future versions you have to temporarily disable SIP (System Integrity Protection) - which requires two reboots - in order to make the change to the ssh.plist file. As you can see it's a common p…

Flatly, This isn't true. I can still go into /etc/ssh sudo vim sshd_config, can my values, and they stick. Just to test it, I did it right now, and I'm running 10.13.4, for what its worth. What exactly was the issue with changing the sshd config? This isn't a SIP protected directory, which is the only thing that would prevent such a move. Perhaps the requirement of sudo? I feel like most linux distros force that in t…

Changing /etc/ssh/sshd_config was my first attempt as well. But since this is OSX things are a little different, see here: https://serverfault.com/a/67616/

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by brockers »

I cannot imagine that is is a good plan. I just don't see enough innovation coming from the processor space to justify the overhead of design, development, testing, and manufacturing while effectively re-inventing most of the underlying system. Unless they build them as x86 clones... but even then it seems like they would be playing catch-up to new innovation.

If Apple really plans on doing this, it MUST be because of some fundamentally new capability that they are either unwilling to divulge to Intel, or Intel is unwilling to invest in. Some kind of core change to the way that Macs interact with or behave with users; otherwise it just doens't make sense to me.

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Post by jcfrei »

fastball wrote: post #899
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Apple frequently introduces changes to its OS that caters to the average user without any hindsight for developers. A good example I had to deal with; I wanted to change the port the SSH daemon listens on. With El Capitan and future versions you have to temporarily disable SIP (System Integrity Protection) - which requires two reboots - in order to make the change to the ssh.plist file. As you can see it's a common p…

this security feature that is great for the vast majority of Apple's user's isn't convenient for me. Luckily, Apple shipped SIP with the option to disable it, and it's not hard. So you can disable it once and then you never need to deal with issues like that again. It's weird because it sounds like you want the protection of SIP without the inconvenience of SIP, but that's never been possible with pretty much any sec…

It's not the fact that the SIP is there which bothers me. It's that Apple introduces these kinds of things with little notice and without caring if they break compatibility. This has always been Apple's approach and it's just not friendly for developers.

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Post by SomeHacker44 »

teemwerk wrote: post #162

Maybe a bit tangential, but from an economic it's interesting to see Intel's market cap vs TSMC, given that TSMC is purely a foundry. Nowadays what 10nm or 14nm actually means is a lot fuzzier than previous nodes, but the general consensus seems to be Intel's fab tech lead is either pretty precarious or already gone, so I'm just gonna assume even (which is admittedly a poor, oversimplified assumption). Then TSMC and…

If TSMC's fab is as good as or better than Intel's, then fabless companies like AMD and Apple will reap competitive benefits over Intel, which now has to have IP for CPUs it sells as well as IP for its fab business.

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Post by huebnerob »

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Parallels and VMWare will just abandon their primary market? No they won't.

Didn't Parallels start off with an Intel emulation before Apple switched to x86.

There was "Microsoft Virtual PC for Mac" which was x86 emulation for PowerPC but performance was abysmal.

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Post by gurkendoktor »

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If Apple manages to lose both designers and developers, I think the whole ecosystem (not just macOS) will suffer more than Apple's management realizes. I also don't think it's possible to run the numbers on this scenario. Without the insistence of so many designers on using a Mac, would macOS really have won a foothold in corporate environments? If enough designers and developers switch to Windows, who's to say that…

Apple doesn't care about the corporate market. They care about individual users. And as long as the CEO wants their shiny Mac (also, see iPhone, iPad) then the IT dept will support it. Your argument might have been valid a decade or so ago, but since then, every home has a laptop or three, and BYOD happened.

In my limited experience, management often uses a shiny iPhone, a shiny iPad, but then a Windows laptop (or none at all). I can't find any statistics to back it up, though.
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