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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by mdpopescu »

oculusthrift wrote: post #531
wamsachel wrote: post #519

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But part of these leaks implicate the Russians, as their toy chest has been exposed too.

everyone knows russia does it. their whole game is, "see. everyone oppresses their citizens. america is just as bad as us and real democracy can't exist"

Yep. I remember when shortly after our [Romania] anti-communist revolution in 1989, some politicians advocated for requiring permits for street demonstrations (something which was still happening at the time) with the excuse that "even America does that".

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by futilefuton »

jnabholz wrote: post #895
deevolution wrote: post #879

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Honestly I dont care who's behind wikileaks. At the end of the day, they are helping to balance out the power of government.

I don't see anything in the leaks that couldn't have been (somewhat easily) fabricated. I am still looking.

WL, like more normal journalism outlets, relies on its reputation. They are biased, but have a very good track record for not releasing false documents.

Also, Snowden says they look real so far because they contain elements only a cleared insider could know. https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/839159736977227777

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by seppin »

Ntrails wrote: post #904
hollander wrote: post #900

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This is an excellent example of telling the facts while distracting from the truth. He's afraid that he will be extradited to the US after being extradited to Sweden. The rape accusations are thought to be just a trick to get him to Sweden. If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately.

> If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately. He can claim this, allowing him to imply that he is of course innocent, safe in the knowledge that it's impossible for the Swedish prosecutor to make such a guarantee.

he also said he'd go to US if Chelsea Manning was released. are we still taking him at his word?

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by [deleted] »

redahs wrote: post #678
ismay wrote: post #576

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He very clearly explained his motives for not doing so in the AMA, and he gave an alternate POL by reading from the blockchain. This whole narrative of Wikileaks not being neutral is a very weird story, because they've never published anything that wasn't verified to be true. Since that's something they can't be attacked on, it seems that the strategy for discrediting Wikileaks has now become to accuse them of associ…

> because they've never published anything that wasn't verified to be true Mr Assange repeatedly claimed that Podesta's gmail password was 'password' in interviews, which was false: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/jan/06/...

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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by seppin »

matthewbauer wrote: post #855
marmot777 wrote: post #807

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They are not neutral. I don't think it's even controversial to say they're working against the United States. They clearly are. It's an observation not a political statement to point this out. If they were neutral you'd see big releases of Russian secrets, etc.

It's possible there just aren't Russian leakers though. Russia can do some shady things to retaliate against leakers US not so much.

You are aware there is a 40 page dossier on Trump that leaked, several people have died who were tied to it.

Which proves the point of above, Russia kills people for infowarfare and the US does not.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by jonathanstrange »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #753
alpha_squared wrote: post #603

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For the purpose of devil's advocate in this, I think it's possible to state truths and still be misleading and/or distracting from another narrative. Just because something is true doesn't necessarily explain what the motive is for releasing that information. It's certainly healthy to have at least a shadow of a doubt as to what WikiLeaks's motivations are when it's already shown that it can either restrain itself fr…

Allegedly WL did not release every email they had from the Syria leak. While every email released may be legitimate, the omission of emails pertaining to russia creates a narrative. Wikileaks may be telling the truth but it's far from clear whether they are telling the whole truth. And in between "truth" and "whole truth" there's a lot of room to shape the narrative

Well, it works both ways. You're creating an even shadier narrative, since you're parroting a familiar a story about the selective choice of leaks without any evidence that other leaks are being withheld, and this story is primarily used to distract from the information that Wikileaks publishes and discredit Wikileaks and Assange.

Even if Wikileaks withheld other leaks, for which no evidence has ever been presented so far, what they have published so far seems to have been factual and genuine material. So let's not distract from the truth...

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by vidarh »

alain94040 wrote: post #223
vidarh wrote: post #208

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That's form I-94W [1] for those who are curious. We also had to promise we'd not been traficking drugs and were not planning on engaging in illegal or immoral activities, and more. I always wonder how many idiots have been denied entry because they were dumb enough/drunk enough to think it'd be fun to tick the wrong box on that form. I also love how under the Paperwork Reduction Act they have had to estimate the burd…

You misunderstand the point of the form. The point is that if later you are suspected of one of those activities, you can be deported because you lied on the form, even though it might be impossible to convict you for the activity itself.

Travel under the visa waiver program is explicitly on the basis that you have no right to appeal or review any removal action if they believe you've breached the terms so that's entirely unnecessary.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by coldtea »

oculusthrift wrote: post #655
coldtea wrote: post #607

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Where everyone = every American that knows very little about foreign affairs (and probably couldn't even point Iowa on the map), but believes all the crap they see in mainstream media, from WMDs to the latest "Russians hacked our elections" -- and always roots for the current "enemy du jour" of the establishment. Aside from the constant pressure and threats, and the constant military presence around its borders, few…

yes everyone who disagrees with you must be ignorant and uninformed.

On particular topics, like whether the earth is flat, or the one I mention above, yes.
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