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Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by nitrogen »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #929
d4nt wrote: post #826

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way powerful people often maintain control of a situation is through contrivances such as unusual dress, unusual ways of speaking, unusual rituals or by having a large entourage. If you analyse each element closely it's clear that they're silly. Why do they need earpieces in when visiting Apple? Why must all the cars match? Why must they dress in the same way? Why do they need to bring all those people, what are…

Earpieces are probably worn routinely, just as many other people you may see walking around. Large organizations typically procure fleets of vehicles that are all the same model. This reduces development and maintenance costs. Many institutions, particularly law enforcement, have strict dress regulations and many distribute their own uniforms appropriate to the particular position.

Yes, and those things are done for the exact reasons the parent comment mentioned. Even comedies like Brooklyn Nine Nine recognize this fact (one episode had a bit about a detective refusing to wear a tie). They wouldn't bother with uniforms if they had no effect.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by user9982 »

illumin8 wrote: post #949

If you oppose this, please let President Obama know. The FBI is part of the executive branch of the government, and as such, directly reports to the president. In other words, if he tells them to stop, they must comply. Please register your complaint here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact Here is my letter to them: Dear President Obama, I've voted for you in both elections, and have been a firm supporter on all you…

>Seriously, you need to stop this. You are the head of the executive branch of the government, of which the FBI is directly underneath your jurisdiction. Director James Comey is directly within your chain of command.

You don't need to tell the man what he can do in his capacity as president, he knows what he can do. Identify the issue clearly and concisely, but don't try and tell him what he can and cannot do. Whether you intended that or not, that's how it comes across.

> What the FBI is asking for is a master key to be created that can decrypt any iPhone.

Not true, they're asking for a way to submit guesses electronically and removing the auto-wipe and 10 guess limit. If you are going to request help on an issue, ensure you know what you the issue is.

I wouldn't send this message in, and I'd suggest you restructure what you're writing because this is simply not effective, and if other people begin sending the same message in it's going to make everyone who opposes this issue look misinformed with a superiority complex (that is how the entire second paragraph comes across).

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by mirimir »

It may well be that Cook's stand will soon become unworkable in the US. The US is always at war, after all, at least effectively. I wonder if Apple would just leave. It's already earning ~60% of revenue outside the US, after all. And hey, it's sitting on tons of offshore cash. Maybe it could build its own country on an unclaimed reef somewhere.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by cft »

The numerical passcode is likely his ATM pin, or a code from his bank/PayPal or some such. I hope the government can simply subpoena his bank/PayPal etc and this will end at that.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by r00fus »

aback wrote: post #886
sandworm101 wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> I am really glad that one of the most valuable companies in the world is drawing a bright line in the sand. So I really support Tim's position on this one. Tim's position today might not be apple's position tomorrow. Apple is a large publicly traded company. They owe a duty only to shareholders. Fighting this fight will probably impact the bottom line. Tim's continuation may turn on the outcome. Cooperation may s…

Fighting will probably impact the bottom line. As in, improve it. Tim Cook is probably more popular than Obama (and surely is WRT this issue.) Apple is about a thousand times more popular than the NSA and blessed with almost infinitely deep pockets and a very, very good marketing team. Not to mention the fact that most of the people who use computers and phones don't even live in the USA.

Unfortunately, the NSA/FBI likely have far more money than Apple, and if Apple spends too much, their shareholders can demand that leadership backs down.

Tim Cook is responsible to his BoD and shareholders.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by illumin8 »

user9982 wrote: post #952
illumin8 wrote: post #949

If you oppose this, please let President Obama know. The FBI is part of the executive branch of the government, and as such, directly reports to the president. In other words, if he tells them to stop, they must comply. Please register your complaint here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact Here is my letter to them: Dear President Obama, I've voted for you in both elections, and have been a firm supporter on all you…

>Seriously, you need to stop this. You are the head of the executive branch of the government, of which the FBI is directly underneath your jurisdiction. Director James Comey is directly within your chain of command. You don't need to tell the man what he can do in his capacity as president, he knows what he can do. Identify the issue clearly and concisely, but don't try and tell him what he can and cannot do. Whethe…

The important thing is to voice your disapproval. I'm confident that my wording could be improved, but it's important that Obama quantify the sheer number of US citizens that disagree with this despicable act.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by r00fus »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #658
greenpizza13 wrote: post #592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"To be fair - the only reason he's doing it is because it would cause a significant drop in sales for Apple devices." That's not being fair at all. To say the only reason he is doing it is to protect iPhone sales doesn't speak to Tim's character. Of course he cares about sales, but he also cares about privacy.

It's definitely one of those rare times doing the right thing is also the most profitable thing.

It's not necessarily the most profitable thing. Apple is picking a fight with a very big adversary. This takes some serious backbone.

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by r00fus »

beloch wrote: post #686
epaga wrote: post #2

Huge props to Apple - here's hoping against hope that Google, Facebook, and Amazon get behind this. One thing I was wondering is how Apple is even able to create a backdoor. It is explained toward the end: "The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force…

Important to remember: Anyone who has your phone also has an object covered in your finger prints. Don't rely on Touch ID for actual security.

Important to remember: All iPhones since the 3GS have oleophobic surface coating (which combined with cloth pockets means the screen stays relatively clean). Also important to remember, fingerprints on a random surface are VERY hard to copy onto latex milk or PCB substrate.

Please continue to think

Re: A Message to Our Customers

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Post by ezoe »

It's almost certain that Apple helped American government to violate customer's privacy. It looks to me this is just a marketing stunt for post-Snowden revelation.

If Apple cared customer's privacy and security so much, how could they sell non-free software that is hard to audit, computer with baseband processor, relies on central server which allows the single point of failure.

My understanding is Apple customer don't much care about their own privacy and security but has weakness on marketing.

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