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Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Possibly waiting for a reasonable replacement for US tech. For example, if the US should decide to shut off MasterCard and VISA services to Europe, it would create non-trivial difficulties for the European banking system.

EU has started that with the Wero project. https://wero-wallet.eu/

Wow, I did not know about this one. Imagine if every country goes this route, and then there is a direct integration between central banks?

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The world should've collectively recognised what Liberation Day was and responded together, in lock step, and in kind. Instead, the Europeans caved, Japanese caved (PM resigned after doing so), Republic of Korea caved (PM resigned after doing so), India of course caved and so on, shattering any prospect of collective action which might pull the rogue hegemon back into line. Now, the US is simply able to renege or ren…

That not how politics works. It is much slower and hidden process. EU fast tracked Mercosur and other trade deals. China and Japan is slowly dumping US treasury bills, Canada is in open trade confrontation and is diversifying toward China. Everybody is shifting away from US weapons suppliers. Nobody is willing to help with Iran even on symbolic level.

Didn't Japan rapidly dump US treasury bills because of the oil crisis (which the US caused), forcing the Fed to do its first currency exchange intervention in decades to avoid a complete meltdown of US currency, which still might not have been avoided?

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Long term it is a very tough position for the US. They need to run a trade deficit to keep the power of the US dollar, if that goes so does a lot of their world power. More broadly however, the question that I think everyone should ponder on is, "If the US falls as the world super power, do you think the alternative will be better?" A huge part of the US's spending is on the military and that is used to stabilize glo…

> If the US falls as the world super power, do you think the alternative will be better? Perhaps not, but if you just accept every abuse thrown at you, pretty soon the USA will be just as tyrannical as China. Sometimes having the self-respect to stand up for yourself is more important than the costs. At the very least, if the US falls as a super power, it seems like we are heading to a tri-polar world (china, EU, USA…

FYI the USA is already more tyrannical than China by most measures that aren't freedom of speech.

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This ignores two facts. One, US has been the largest buyer of imported goods. As much as people think turning away is difficult and needs planning. Two, turning away requires time and planning. Supply chain isn't built in one day. People need time for that. In the short term - like next 3-4 years - it is going to look like countries caved. But in the long term Liberation Day will be remembered as one of the days whic…

The US has the largest consumer market in the world. The next biggest is the EU which is only 50% the size of the US. If countries of the world decide to trade among themselves, their economies are going to be a lot smaller.

That's basically because their currency is the world reserve currency, which makes them rich. Expect that to change soon.

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tariffs on tech i think is harder than just not accepting US patents and IP, and refusing protections on it

Copyright is a very quick one to change though. Imagine if suddenly you would no longer be getting doorknocks from the police for downloading Movies/Music/Games/Software from American companies. Europe just gets GTA6, for free, one hour after it comes out (or a day if it takes that long to crack it). Huge amounts of American wealth rely on the rest of the world playing by their rules.

But politicians seem to treat copyright law as a sacred cow. When Stop Killing Games reached the threshold to trigger a mandatory response from politicians, their response was unanimously "sorry but we can't do that because we'd have to change copyright law." Yes, I think that was the point.

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Everyone is banking on the current trade policy simply being temporary and whoever replaces Trump in the White House next will restore bilateral trade to normal. Why would you destroy your trade relation with the U.S. for decades to come when you can just ride out a bad deal for a few years? Not saying I agree with it, because it sends the wrong signal, but I can understand the reasoning at least.

USA is basically a uniparty with respect to foreign policy. It's not like Biden restored US foreign policy wrt pre Trump tariffs on China... It's a nice thought, but I wouldn't "bank" on it.

It's a uniparty on Israel and Mexico. It's not a uniparty on Canada or Denmark.

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Canada and EU tightening their relation, pretty sure there are a lot agreements in the making. Will be great for both and appreciated by the people living in EU (and surely Canada as well).

The EU is definitely dragging its feet believing that Trump will go away and "normality" will return.

EU is already adopting. They are slow (that's a given anyway because of its size), but they are not stupid. It also opens up a lot of opportunities, everybody's right now loosening their bonds with the US.

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On Saturday, he said that American negotiators “asked too much and offered too little.” Among other things, Mr. Carney said that American negotiators pushed to roll back Canada’s efforts to promote Canadian and French language content in online streaming services, subsidies for industries like publishing and film production and even mandatory labeling in French, an official language in Canada, as well as English on p…

The mandatory labeling is actually a big issue in Europe as well, it means German products can’t be sold in the Netherlands if they don’t have Dutch labeling and vice versa. Which creates a fragmented market.

Most products I've bought have the labels for everywhere it's sold.

It's not fragmented in a bad way. Having different shampoo brands just over a border is increased competition. We don't want a situation where one company makes all the shampoo.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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This is the way. If the US imposes tariffs, impose tariffs on US goods. The US administration twists facts to suit their agenda. For example, they often complain about the trade deficit the US has with other countries. However, that deficit often (depends on the country) only exists if you exclude digital goods (Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc.). If the rest of the world were to restrict the import of those digital goo…

Europe/Canada should ban chatgpt/anthropic and say "ok we will use chinese models for our vibe coding I guess" and watch the stock market implode overnight. Remenber when they tried to ban non-US citizens from using Fable? best to remove that sword of damocles now regardless

They would have to make a free chat interface that uses Chinese models. It isn't about the technical implementation, it's about the interface and the ease of use.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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This is the way. If the US imposes tariffs, impose tariffs on US goods. The US administration twists facts to suit their agenda. For example, they often complain about the trade deficit the US has with other countries. However, that deficit often (depends on the country) only exists if you exclude digital goods (Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc.). If the rest of the world were to restrict the import of those digital goo…

Trade deficits are good though. They are otherwise called capital surpluses. America gets to send worthless pieces of paper with dead presidents on them, and in return we get real, physical goods with finite supply.

But now the circulation of dead president paper is all fucked up, people are mad about it and they're tackling it via this (which won't work but it looks like it does something anyway).
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