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what value do we get from AI?
It's really good at writing code.
No, it very much is not.
As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
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Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
#942Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a conundrum I always found interesting. If you know how to use a search engine (i.e. knowing how to use operators and structure a search query), you're almost always able to find what you're looking for very quickly, and in most cases (well, before SEO), the results are high-quality. You'll spend the same amount of time trying to fact-check an LLM (since you'll likely skim the articles it used in generating i…
> you're almost always able to find what you're looking for very quickly[...] You'll spend the same amount of time trying to fact-check an LLM I've been an expert Google user for over a decade and I can only partially agree with the first statement, and not at all with the second. Yes, a search engine alone is fantastic at finding things based on keywords if you know how to invoke it properly. However, there are lots…
In essence there are a few critical and vulnerable(imo) sources of info on search engines. forums, llms, and and just plain search by query matches and web crawling/indexing. They are all very useful but the last one is being shadowed and destroyed. Forums are also being filled with bots.
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
#943Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're so horrible that I've started defaulting to their AI summaries. And I hate those summaries. It's just that the regular results are so terrible now, and seemingly getting worse at a noticeable pace. I used to not worry. I was sure that a competitor would come along and fix search. But the longer that's not happening, the more nervous I'm getting that we'll actually lose search. If a few more years pass in the…
> there's no way I'm – directly or indirectly – buying Russian products Why not?
Because Russia is a danger to all that I cherish. I did not use to think that. Then they brutally and unprovokedly attacked the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and showed their true face.
Russia must be resisted until those responsible for that war are held accountable and Ukraine is whole, free and compensated, and all imprisoned and kidnapped Ukrainians (especially the kidnapped children) are returned.
Once those things are done, I'd be open to a slow process of normalization for the sake of the Russian people.
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
#944Earlier quoted context omitted.
Broadcasters absolutely have a responsibility to ensure they communicate truthful statements in exactly the same way that any other profession has a responsibility to ensure their output is correct.
Fundamentally impossible. Communication is completely made up. It cannot be measured scientifically. Consider the statement: "Cows live on the moon". It is 100% true, although you may not see it that way if you misinterpret what is said. It's only a lie to the extent that your opinion says it is even though in actuality it is the truth.
That’s some serious mental gymnastics you’re applying there but that’s not really how society works.
We, as a society, fully understand the concept of truthful and untruthful statements. We learn it as a child and get scalded when we lie. We depend on this understanding in law, courts, contracts, and commerce. We understand it when educators teach and when requesting services of others.
If you want to claim that communication cannot be truthful nor verifiable at any level, then society would fail to function because the literal point of communication is to share an information.
Now if you wanted to make a philosophical point about proving an intent to lie, or our perceptions of reality, rather than communication as a medium, then that’s a different topic (and one I discussed elsewhere in this thread). But for your exact argument presented, we already have millennia of past precedence to prove that communication is expected to have truthful statements.
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
#945Earlier quoted context omitted.
> there's no way I'm – directly or indirectly – buying Russian products Why not?
Because Russia is a danger to all that I cherish. I did not use to think that. Then they brutally and unprovokedly attacked the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and showed their true face. Russia must be resisted until those responsible for that war are held accountable and Ukraine is whole, free and compensated, and all imprisoned and kidnapped Ukrainians (especially the kidnapped children) are returned. Once those thin…
>Because Russia is a danger to all that I cherish.
How do you make the leap from the war? I don't think you cherish post-2014 Kiev regime
>Then they brutally and unprovokedly attacked the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and showed their true face.
People keep repeating this as if the promise of NATO membership in 2008[0] was never given and the coup engineered by the US in 2014[1] didn't happen.
What's your reasons for discarding these facts and using this "unprovokedly" meme?
[0] https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/official-texts-and-resource...
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
#946Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Russia is a danger to all that I cherish. I did not use to think that. Then they brutally and unprovokedly attacked the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and showed their true face. Russia must be resisted until those responsible for that war are held accountable and Ukraine is whole, free and compensated, and all imprisoned and kidnapped Ukrainians (especially the kidnapped children) are returned. Once those thin…
>Because Russia is a danger to all that I cherish. How do you make the leap from the war? I don't think you cherish post-2014 Kiev regime >Then they brutally and unprovokedly attacked the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and showed their true face. People keep repeating this as if the promise of NATO membership in 2008[0] was never given and the coup engineered by the US in 2014[1] didn't happen. What's your reasons for…
> How do you make the leap from the war? I don't think you cherish post-2014 Kiev regime.
I cherish the world in which it is unacceptable to invade your neighbors, kill their people, occupy their country, destroy their buildings and kidnap their children because you dislike their government. Doubly so as an actual neighbor of the Russian menace!
> People keep repeating this as if the promise of NATO membership in 2008[0] was never given
The independent and free nation of Ukraine has the right to join any alliance they want and that wants them. If Russia considers that a provocation, that's entirely Russia's problem.
Disagree? Simple question. I bet you won't answer.
> and the coup engineered by the US in 2014[1] didn't happen.
That source does not at all prop up your insane claim. At most, it suggests that the US meddles.
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
#947I see symptoms of this all the time. For example, it's a weekly annoyance for folks to pop into /r/strava to showcase their vibe-coded app that uses the Strava API to do $THING. Then someone invariably points out that an existing app (or even Strava itself) already does $THING, and often it's free. I don't mean to be negative, I think it's great that people are building useful niche software and I don't blame them fo…
Hopefully now that AI provides quick answers, web search can go back to providing and respecting boolean and more advanced techniques. If web search is no longer the go to tool for most users, then search can do better what it can do uniquely?
Have you tried kagi? It's payed, but I definitely get my money's worth!
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
#948Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is an astute point. I agree that we have largely lost a lot of our shared reality. But as with any "beginning" of a long, diffuse process, people might quibble about the specifics. I offer a few other moments you might gesture toward as the beginning of the end of shared reality. First, 1987, with the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine and the subsequent boom in partisan talk radio shows. Second, 1989, when cabl…
I never thought of the DVR as a particularly significant development. I thought of it as just a replacement for the VCR. That's what it was for me. But perhaps in some areas DVRs were used to a greater extent than VCRs had been?
When I still lived with my parents around the turn of the century, we had a Tivo DVR that talked directly with their DirecTV system's dish. The Tivo was dual-tuner and could do things like record one thing while letting a person watch a different live thing, or it could record two things if the human wasn't watching anything live.
In those pre-streaming days, it would often occupy itself by filling otherwise-empty hard drive space with stuff that people might want to watch at a time of their choosing -- based on previous and simple Thumbs Up / Thumbs Down inputs from the handheld remote. In this way, it generally had stuff recorded and available for viewing 24/7 that people in the house might actually want to watch, at just the cost of some otherwise-idle machine time and some simple user ratings to direct it.
At that time, it was a very neat DVR with very thoughtful features that were implemented in smart ways.
I wanted to watch THX-1138, which was supposed to be George Lucas's first feature-length film. It was somewhat obscure; I couldn't find it to rent locally. I couldn't find it in the published schedules for the premium channels we had, either.
I could have bought a new copy, maybe, but IIRC even that was problematic. This whole Internet thing was still mostly confined to the old-web era and inexpensively mass-produced DVDs hadn't entered the era of ubiquity.
So I told the Tivo DVR to record that film, anyway, without further instruction. Despite knowing that it was hard (mabe impossible!) to find on-air: I just gave it the name and told it to make it so.
And as unlikely as that seemed to me at that time: It did. It took months for it to find THX-1138. When it was eventually scheduled to be aired (one time, in the middle of the night): It made that recording a priority, executed that recording without flaw, and kept that recording so I could watch it later.
That was gold. VCRs never, ever did that stuff. (Most other DVRs never did, either.)
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
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I know DN42, but this network is more oriented toward R&D and experimenting. Yeah, its not for your avarage Joe. But your avarage Joe can buy connection from VPN provider and use it, and so we can provide user friendly PoPs with minimal skills needed to setup, supporting different VPN software.
or you put a password on a website
Spoken like a true websurfer. You know, networking is not only about WWW.
Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing
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> You use openssl to sign an image that shouldn't be signed... what then? You do whatever you want with your provably genuine fake image. > You do this enough and get caught How are you going to get caught? By the signature owner repudiating some of the images "he" signed? I can see that working out for him.
Same way it works for tls and code signing. Public reports bad actors to the signing authority. They and/or independent firms investigate. You self report theft. It's not like we are inventing pki from scratch here and wondering what an implementation would look like. We have decades of use to look at. Besides wasn't your argument "hacking" a minute ago? So you concede that then? You seem to have moved on.
> Public reports bad actors to the signing authority.
Public would know the pics were fake let alone know who to report.
> They and/or independent firms investigate.
What's to investigate? You have a fake pic that is indistinguishable from genuine and "proved" by a sig.