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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Do you even realize how insane your comment is? "If you aren't donating at least your salary's worth of company money to another company every day, are you even working?"

Used to think exactly like you. That's why I know you all will "get it" eventually. Most companies and orgs are just so far behind the curve.

Why don't you explain it to us then? What are you actually doing with it? What type of products are you working on?

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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> He wants to push it just because he lost a bragging contest. That is an uncharitable interpretation, IMO. The CFO heard of a novel technique used by his peers in other companies, and they reported good results. He wants to try it within his organization too. As an executive, he is paid to (among other things) keep abreast of such developments in the industry and ensure that the organization he is leading is not cau…

Peer-pressure driven management style. Fantastic.

I am guessing you were being snarky. Care to explain what about it you find about it objectionable?

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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In my experience, its the opposite. The AI is very good at writing code, but it is unreliable at any kind of design. I use it as a fancy form of autocomplete. I give the broad strokes: "add a method here and change all but this one caller to use the new method", "Apply this design pattern here for this change but don't do this other thing". It completes the task reasonably well and sometimes even remembers to run the…

Can you pro-AI people at least agree on what is it even useful for? Every thread is endless back-and-forth between the "AI works great and vibe coding is the future" and "no, AI works great as long as you don't vibe code" camps.

AI is in like year 4 of being useful for the task. And it’s changing rapidly. We don’t know what it’s good for yet!

But pick a technology used to write code and you’ll see many of the same things. Broad unit test adoption happened more then 20 years ago and people still can’t decide what it’s good for or even if it is useful.

That’s because it depends on the circumstances of the problem and the person solving it.

So no, we can’t decide exactly what it’s good for and if we could there would be exceptions. But that’s not an indictment of any tool.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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>He was successful in the end So it sounds like it was fine? Why would this prompt (haha) a change in their approach to things?

Now imagine if you’re one step removed. You don’t see the cigarettes, smell the gasoline, nor see the fire extinguisher gauge. You only see the servers running business-as-usual. Those “engineering” guys are always drama queens, you think. We have processes and fire extinguishers when shit hits the fan, right? That’s basically every M2, and many if not most M1s, in the last 10 years. So fuck it. Why does any of it ma…

... If it's been like that for 10 years then it can hardly be blamed on "AI".

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Do you even realize how insane your comment is? "If you aren't donating at least your salary's worth of company money to another company every day, are you even working?"

Used to think exactly like you. That's why I know you all will "get it" eventually. Most companies and orgs are just so far behind the curve.

Apparently both dev's and the AI are vulnerable to the Dunning Kruger effect.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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300 a day?? 7K dollars a month? No wonder they need to lay people off!

At Nvidia, we have no limit for Anthropic or Open AI models (for now) and are heavily encouraged to use them as much as possible.

Please don’t tell me you’re writing RTL

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I feel in a really weird position where I both really dislike what AI is doing to the experience and practice of writing code, to the point where I want a job doing literally anything else besides using the computer, but also think that these tools are extremely powerful and only getting better. I think Mitchell's point is well taken -- it's possible for these tools to introduce rotten foundations that will only be f…

I've never had more fun coding, but the key is actually still writing the code yourself. The LLM has terrible judgment but an encyclopedic knowledge and the ability to pick out important details in a sea of information. Their worse use is producing code, but somehow that gets all the energy. Being an LLM babysitter is energy draining and you feel less and less in control. No job is worth being miserable doing somethi…

After turning off my brain a few times and ending up in a place I don't want real fast, I am learning to ride this dragon.

And, you are right - use it as a fast typer, not a fast thinkier.

And for those who claim that AI is a good code writer - wrong. It can OUTPUT a wall of code, but it's overeager to flood you will legacy code on arrival to "solve a problem". It's harder to write LESS code, which is still the goal (even more true today).

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

"AI used to build the tool but by no means used by the tool" is a really good way to put it. Feels like the smart play right now is treating these credits as temporary subsidy and building stuff that still works when the bill comes due.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

That’s funny I’ve been doing that too Trying to crank out all the tools I never had time to build because I think we’re going to get cut off eventually

I don't think we will. I think this level of token cost/availability will trend cheaper and faster, long term. These companies that spent too big and too fast might try to limit it and raise the prices and they might be temporarily successful but they'll very quickly be taken over if they keep doing it.
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