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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I don't understand the point of writing and sharing this. Don't want to use a service anymore? Fine, stop using it and move to something else. But why publish something that you knows for sure is just going to be bad press for another company and organization?

Because he wants to move it and then has to provide rationale behind why Ghostty is moving away from Github.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

One of the biggest gifts in life is to find a true passion. And for every passion there are two sides to the coin - the joy and the suffering. The agony and the ecstasy. It’s a gift to care so much; and it inspires.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I feel like MS went out of its way to make a point that GitHub and NPM would be independent orgs that no longer had to worry about making keep-the-lights-on money. It was positioned as a benevolent acquisition for the good of the development community. As so often happens, that didn't last long. Nest was originally independent. Didn't take long for it to merge with the Google Home brand. I'm sure there are countless…

> It was positioned as a benevolent acquisition for the good of the development community. call me a skeptic, but can (and has) such a model existed in a capitalist system?

It has never existed. Everything a business does is for power and profit, including the times when they pretend they aren't doing things for power and profit.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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In their defense, they dramatically "over"-report sev-2/3's (things like, avatar urls are not loading in saudi arabia), which makes their cumulative uptime look much worse than it is. If you filter for major/critical outages, their uptime of core services in trailing 12 months all have two 9's. https://isgithubcooked.com/?severities=major.critical Also, a huge part of their cumulatively-bad availability story is copi…

Two 9’s? You have to work pretty hard to do that badly. That’s like bragging you graduated with a C average from Harvard after your father endowed a chair to get you in. Given GitHub has become a utility service globally this should be frankly worrisome to everyone let alone the developer community actively using it. It’s intertwined into many things now beyond simply source code hosting and PRs. And I am surprised G…

We don't have to let it be a utility service. It's not like the power and water to your house where laying new pipes is a monumental and stupid effort. $3 per month can get you a VPS to run your git hosting on - if you even need git hosting, and aren't just using GitHub because it's there.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I'd honestly argue the opposite. Staying with an abusive partner is not likely to resolve the abuse, no matter how much you think so. Ghostty and others leaving might be the only way that active users could actively and visibly signal a need for change.

There’s a difference between a relationship with a person and an organization. I think the difference is large enough that the analogy doesn’t really hold.

For businesses, staying signals their KPIs that everything is great and there's no need for change.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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> I can't help but think that some of this heartbreak would have been avoidable, if only he possessed more of the Richard-Stallman-esque attitude that non-free software is inherently suspect and unethical. I think that model works well when it comes to code , but I don't think the non-free software movement ever really figured out how to deal with services and data . Even if GitHub was completely 100% GPL Free Softwa…

You're completely right. I care about the free software movement from an ethical/freedom-preserving perspective, and I do think that many facets of the movement are too grounded in the details of how personal computer software in the 80s and 90s worked, rather than in the question of how to import the user-freedom-perserving ethos to services and data. The question of how to create free-software-mediated online commu…

Is the problem solved by an open database license? Doesn't that make a community migration easier, putting a cap on how enshittified any given database can become?

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I can appreciate Hashimoto's genuine feelings about Github, and the world of open-source software development that it opened for him and that he spent a significant chunk of his life participating in. On the other hand, I can't help but think that some of this heartbreak would have been avoidable, if only he possessed more of the Richard-Stallman-esque attitude that non-free software is inherently suspect and unethic…

> I can't help but think that some of this heartbreak would have been avoidable, if only he possessed more of the Richard-Stallman-esque attitude that non-free software is inherently suspect and unethical. I think that model works well when it comes to code , but I don't think the non-free software movement ever really figured out how to deal with services and data . Even if GitHub was completely 100% GPL Free Softwa…

I don't think the community of GitHub matters as much as people keep saying here. I think each project has its own small number of developers, and getting all of them to move is much easier. It has a larger number of bug reporters and downloaders, who only interact with the project occasionally and are perfectly capable of doing the same thing anywhere else.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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But how much of that do people actually need? Most users don’t use most features. The core MVP is not that big.

The old saying goes: Everyone only uses 10% of what MS Excel can do. But everyone uses a different 10%. The same goes for Github to a degree. Yes, there are hot paths that "everyone" uses, but also areas where most people never wander and other use daily.

Google Docs doesn't do even 20% of what Office does, but it's a serious competitor anyway. That's because it implements a 5% feature that 80% of its customers use: instant internet sync.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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> I'm still holding out hope for distributed and federated git forges. Do you know that you can just send a patch via email (assuming you're not using the gmail web client)? You can even save the diff on some hosting website and send the link via any text medium.

I say this as someone who actually ran mailservers for about 25 years, who can telnet to port 25 and type SMTP to send an email, and who is hugely found of plaintext: I'd rather quit coding than move to that workflow. I loathe every bit of the pipeline of getting a clean patch from machine A to machine B, where I control at most one of them, and having it come out the other side with the same SHA256 digest. I don't l…

In this workflow, I don't think it's meant to have the same SHA1 digest. It's a workflow that's very much designed for a handful of core contributors (who have direct repository access) and gatekept one-off patches.

Some other accepted git workflows, like rebasing onto master, or even adding a "committed-by" or "signed-off-by", don't preserve SHA1 hashes either, and it seems you don't really need that property outside of closely collaborating cliques.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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> Youve lost the OS, and the server realm. Lose the developers, and youre on your way to becoming the Xerox of the 21st century. This is a very HN take. MS is terrible or at best "second tier" on everything they do including gaming, they also lost the mobile race, they're very likely going to lose the AI race, but they'll still hold hostage of the vast swathes of average white collar workers with Office, people that…

> This is a very HN take. It's something that Microsoft leadership themselves certainly seems to have believed at times. From "developers, developers, developers, developers!" to courting Linux-targeting webdevs with WSL to VSCode, they've done lots to court developers, sometimes explicitly professing it as a central part of their strategy. I can't disagree with any of the rest, though. Microsoft's (anti-)competitive…

Microsoft even admits they lost gaming, because their objective is now to catch Windows up to SteamOS - which, to remind anyone, is a Linux distro that runs a Windows emulator: https://bsky.app/profile/brunodias.bsky.social/post/3mkniszk...

yes, Wine is an emulator

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