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US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by SpaceNoodled »

torginus wrote: post #937
Aloisius wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran's semi-official Mehr News Agency (via China's state news agency Xinhua[0]) claims the 10 points are: 1. U.S. commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression 2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz 3. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights 4. Lifting of all primary sanctions 5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions 6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran…

The whole concept of the ceasefire is absurd - it's like the joke that to combat the rise of suicides, the government made them punishable by death. There's no enforcement mechanism, only big dog, small dog logic. What happens if one party breaks the ceasefire? The other starts shooting ?

Um, yes?

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

dominicrose wrote: post #922
georgemcbay wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think its a victory for either Iran or the US. Iran suffered a lot of losses in terms of people and widescale destruction of infrastructure. But the US lost too, we come out of this war looking much weaker and more chaotic than we did going in, not to mention the amount of money we poured into it while accomplishing nothing (nothing we destroyed in Iran was a threat to us until we bombed them in the first pla…

It's hard to see how the US benefits because the US is geographically very far away from this region but I don't think it was an expensive war: short duration, mostly just an air campaign. IMO Trump did this to send a message to the world. Gulf countries and Israel should feel much better though, despite the losses, knowing that Iran's capacity is now limited to terrorist-like harassment. This is not the end however…

"Not expensive" is a ridiculous claim. In another week or two we will have spent as much as the Department of Transportation's entire annual budget.

Worse than that, Iran has now proven that they have the ability to wreck the world economy at will, giving them a lot more leverage in all future negotiations.

If the proposal that Iran start collecting tolls on all traffic through the strait happens, that will give them such a large cash infusion that it's impossible to call this anything other than a decisive victory for Iran.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by derwiki »

tristanj wrote: post #910

The ceasefire is over. Iran launched three waves of ballistic missiles at Israel after the ceasefire was announced; the first wave happened about an hour after the ceasefire announcement, then another 5 hours after, then another 8 hours after. Iran also launched waves of drones at UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia within the first few hours of the ceasefire, and they've continued more over the next 12 hou…

I hate that my first thought is: but then why is the DOW still up 2.5%?

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by danans »

derwiki wrote: post #944
tristanj wrote: post #910

The ceasefire is over. Iran launched three waves of ballistic missiles at Israel after the ceasefire was announced; the first wave happened about an hour after the ceasefire announcement, then another 5 hours after, then another 8 hours after. Iran also launched waves of drones at UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia within the first few hours of the ceasefire, and they've continued more over the next 12 hou…

I hate that my first thought is: but then why is the DOW still up 2.5%?

Stock markets move with storytelling, not facts.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by [deleted] »

raffraffraff wrote: post #894
Aloisius wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran's semi-official Mehr News Agency (via China's state news agency Xinhua[0]) claims the 10 points are: 1. U.S. commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression 2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz 3. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights 4. Lifting of all primary sanctions 5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions 6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran…

Hmm. "Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights" (enrichment to what degree?) "Termination of all International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors resolutions against Iran" (what does this actually mean, that they tear up previous reports and findings? Ignore undeclared nuclear facilities and unaccounted for uranium?) I mean, are Iran basically asking that they be allowed build nuclear weapons unchecked? Or…

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by GordonS »

Rover222 wrote: post #842
karim79 wrote: post #614

This is Israel's "business as usual" stuff. Mowing the lawn, fake ceasefire, distraction, expansion and greater Israel project let's go! stuff. Stretch goal is to make Iran a failed state. Primary goal is distraction from the very real annexation of Palestinian and Lebanese territories, one war crime at a time.

Ridiculous take. Israel wants a secular Iran, not a failed state. Most Iranians don’t hate Israel. They hate the Islamic regime. But westerners just looove to support all Iranian proxies these days.

Israel does want a failed state - they want to balkanise Iran, letting their ISIS head-choppers, the Uigher terrorists etc at it. See Syria and how that's going.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by [deleted] »

chimpanzee2 wrote: post #721
Fricken wrote: post #701

I told ya the Ayatollah would end up keeping the gate. Tolling all the tankers that want to pass through the straight. The US cannot game this cockamamie new Khameini. So unless you're a tankie you won't be thanking him later. The Hegemon can make demands but can't avoid demand destruction. Steal the oil from Iran, was that the plan? Just like a child abduction? Trump doesn't have the gumption to snatch enriched uran…

wow you're like m&m or summin

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by caminante »

tristanj wrote: post #917
watwut wrote: post #914

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ceasefire was never between Israel and Iran, Israel did not stopped bombing even after first announcement.

Nope, Israel did stop its strikes on Iran. However, they did not stop bombing Lebanon. https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-backs-iran-truce-opp...

It's more complex than your comment.

Per your article, Israel stopped bombing Lebanon in a November 2024 ceasefire. However, Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon broke that prior ceasefire on March 2 in retaliation for the death of the Ayatollah.

> Israel has carried out massive airstrikes and pushed troops farther into Lebanon after Hezbollah, on March 2, launched its first rocket attack on Israel since the November 2024 ceasefire deal.

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