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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by donkeybeer »

CMay wrote: post #923
jmyeet wrote: post #917

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> Do you know why Hitler blamed the Jewish people and had them separated out? Yes, Hitler did blood libel [1], a tradition continued by Donald Trump [2]. > He blamed the Jewish Bolshevik revolutions in Germany for causing Germany to lose World War 1 Are you arguing Hitler was right? Or that it was a useful tool and a lie? Because you've blamed the Communists for WW2. Multiple times. This makes me think you've been hi…

Racism was clearly an important aspect of Hitler's motivations and there is an important reason why. The reason racism is important, is because of communism. It would be outrageous to simply discard communism as if it was irrelevant, when these revolutions necessarily inflame these qualities in a society. Communist revolution was not simply some kind of economic restructuring demand from workers. It is about eradicat…

>Essentially, global communism is about controlling all the resources and leveraging them, so any country that wants to survive outside of communism has to race for resources.

I hate communism but why faslely single it out, global any group or system will want to control resources as much as possible. You seem extremely stupid to the point of believing nazism was about opposing communism fundamentally rather than antisemitism and racialism.

Again as an avowed capitalist, race is the opposite of good capitalism. I will gladly trade with anyone of any race.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by eimrine »

CMay wrote: post #923
jmyeet wrote: post #917

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you know why Hitler blamed the Jewish people and had them separated out? Yes, Hitler did blood libel [1], a tradition continued by Donald Trump [2]. > He blamed the Jewish Bolshevik revolutions in Germany for causing Germany to lose World War 1 Are you arguing Hitler was right? Or that it was a useful tool and a lie? Because you've blamed the Communists for WW2. Multiple times. This makes me think you've been hi…

Racism was clearly an important aspect of Hitler's motivations and there is an important reason why. The reason racism is important, is because of communism. It would be outrageous to simply discard communism as if it was irrelevant, when these revolutions necessarily inflame these qualities in a society. Communist revolution was not simply some kind of economic restructuring demand from workers. It is about eradicat…

So, you think China is building the largest military in history because of "communism". Do you recognize Chinese people as warriors? Can you remember any pro-war Chinese folklore? Communism is a relatively new flavor in their culture.

And what exactly do you think China can't reproduce in 100 years?

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by eimrine »

CMay wrote: post #899
jmyeet wrote: post #863

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> China's stockpile of oil is only enough for a few months China is still getting oil from Iran. Maybe that'll change but there's still (IIRC) >100M barrels of oil in transit to China. Aside from that, the point isn't to have indefinite supplies. It's to have supplies the last longer than other countries. This is going to create huge problems for the US beofre it creates huge problems for China. > Russian oil infrast…

China is only still getting oil from Iran, because we allow it. China knows that. Venezuela and Iran partially tells China, the US does have influence over your oil shipments and you can't sanction proof your oil supply chain. Stopping China's oil shipments right now would just make oil prices go even higher, but we definitely could stop them. As for Russia, yes there is still some European reliance on Russian oil/ga…

Your opponent supplies links. You supply a bare words, maybe some bare anti-communist words.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by aa-jv »

macintux wrote: post #926
MomsAVoxell wrote: post #914

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>Right, 15 years ago in a recently heavily bombarded city 50% of children In a lot of the bombarded cities, not just Fallujah. Wherever US forces went they left a heinous legacy which is still paid for by the mothers of Iraq. >Baghdad There’s another study for Baghdad out there, I’ll link it if I can find it. >inaccurate numbers Straw man argument. The numbers are inaccurate because the studies are obfuscated by US-l…

50% of children dying at (or before) birth in a major city should be global news. I want it to be not true, but if it is true, I want someone to be talking about it. I don't know what's so hard to understand about "this is a remarkable claim and requires some evidence". No one in this thread has supplied ANY evidence that it is true.

Did you not read the links given, which have further details about the actual studies?

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by leonidasrup »

triceratops wrote: post #918
leonidasrup wrote: post #904

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I just wanted to show that there no such thing as perfect recycling technology. If you want to choose least material intensive source of energy, you choose nuclear energy. By choosing nuclear energy you get the benefit of almost decarbonizing you electricity production as can be seen in France.

Nuclear isn't perfect either. You can be embargoed for uranium way more easily, if you don't already have it. It's more expensive to build than solar and takes much longer (and don't BS me with "it's because of the regulations!" - everything, even solar, has regulations that drive up the cost and construction timelines). If you can build price-competitive nuclear energy without government backstops or insurance, you…

No energy technology is perfect each has it's benefits and drawbacks.

Yes a nuclear power plant more expensive than solar power plant. But an electric grid based on renewables, if we add the costs for storage, backup generator, power lines upgrades needed for smoothing out regional variations of production, is more expensive (or it can be cheaper if you have access to cheap natural gas, Texas power grid).

https://doi.org/10.1080/14786451.2024.2355642

https://www.olivierdeschenes.org/uploads/1/3/6/6/136668153/j...

Uranium is plentiful. Uranium is more plentiful than antimony, tin, cadmium, mercury, or silver, and it is about as abundant as arsenic or molybdenum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium#Occurrence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_reserves Also uranium is very, very energy dense. Current nuclear fuel can provide up to 45 gigawatt-days per metric ton of uranium. So stockpiling few years worth of fuel is not a problem. https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/b...

Governments are always supporting new technologies https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/cleanenergy/tax-guidanc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Renewable_Energy_Source... https://emagazine.com/clean-energy-subsidies-explained-how-t...

Nuclear energy also quite safe https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-p...

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by aucisson_masque »

tw1984 wrote: post #832
aucisson_masque wrote: post #810

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Well I am referring about rare materials for battery, energy storage, solar panel because the discussion was about that. I don't know about defense needs, could be true, but I guess they are much less important in volume that the other. You may be able to store them in case of disruption.

Gallium is of course crucial for modern solar panels, it is also becoming increasingly important in batteries as well.

Well in the case of gallium, I see that we have extremely efficient recycling capabilities. Around 90% recovery.

It doesn’t solve the production issue, but there are ways to counter that dépendance over china.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by leonidasrup »

triceratops wrote: post #819
leonidasrup wrote: post #792

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You can't base energy of an modern industrial country on purely solar panels alone, they don't produce any electricity in the night and have electric output reduced by weather. You have always to combine them with other power sources for backup. For Germany it's domestic wind + domestic coal + imported gas. In case you ask for energy storage in Germany, the amounts are quite low. https://openenergytracker.org/en/docs…

So you admit then that using as much solar and wind and storage as possible reduces the need for imported gas. As such it should be a national priority.

It should be a national priority to use as much already installed solar and wind and storage as possible, when the operating costs are low. The big question is: where should the future investments be made, who will pay them? How much further investments in solar, wind and storage will decrease the need for gas? 2x, 10x, 100x of current yearly spending? Because gas is already very expensive in Europe, it's used precisely when renewable don't produce enough electric energy.

The German decision to phase out nuclear power was a very big and very costly mistake. The French almost made the same mistake.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/renewables-up-nuclear-down-in-fren...

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by rustyhancock »

andrewflnr wrote: post #296
rustyhancock wrote: post #224

For all his faults and there are many. The no more wars aspect of Trump's campaign actually made me mildly optimistic. I'm not an American so I'm not sure if the voting base actually believed him.

No one who understood what Trump is believed him. You shouldn't have either.

I think that's overly pessimistic most (?all) politicians betray voters but seeing shades of grey or bright sides isn't a bad thing.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by pydry »

YZF wrote: post #921
pydry wrote: post #813

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>Those days people that hate Jews claiming they're "only anti-Zionists" That's mainly what the more racist zionists claim. Most genuine anti semites are up front about their distaste for Jews and they tend to be on the far, far right. There's a simple test to distinguish the genuine anti racists and the disguised racists, too: * I condemn the holocaust unreservedly. It was commited by a regime of absolute evil agains…

Here I'm not ignoring you though I probably should. The problem is you're providing cover for the antisemites even if you're not one yourself (which isn't clear at this point). They will fly under your cover pretending that they actually care about the same thing. We see this "mix" in the conversation (e.g. painting the Jews in the US as not being loyal or serving foreign interests). The choice of the word "genocide"…

>Here I'm not ignoring you though I probably should.

Yes it is not wise to out oneself as a genocide denialist - whether it's the holocaust or (in your case) gaza.

>The choice of the word "genocide" for the civilians killed in the war in Gaza is antisemitism.

There was an enormous war crime committed and plenty of evidence, just like there was with the holocaust.

Commitment to genocide denial demonstrates an equal level of racism as a holocaust denier. They are, as I'm sure you'll agree, anti semites whether they admit it or not.

>I view it purely through the facts of the matter. We don't need to UN to tell us what's right and what's wrong.

The UN is there to tell us what happened as a neutral party. THEY view it through the facts of the matter, which is why they confirmed that it is a genocide - over two years after it started and the evidence had mounted up.

It is seems likely that you view this conflict exclusively through a racial prism. That is very sad.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by wat10000 »

theonething wrote: post #906
wat10000 wrote: post #865

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Well duh. That's why that paragraph starts with "I would bet...."

yes and some bets are smart and based on sound logic and evidence. Some are based on stuff pulled out of the better's ass. This is the latter.

Not sure why you keep feeling the need to reply to state the obvious.
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