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Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

notatoad wrote: post #714
tzs wrote: post #573

How about comments that include AI output if labeled? Earlier today I remembered that there was a Supreme Court case I'd heard about 35 years ago that was relevant to on an ongoing HN discussion, but I could not remember the name of the case nor could I find it by Googling (Google kept finding later cases involving similar issues that were not relevant to what I was looking for). I asked Perplexity and given my recol…

Before chatbots, people used to link to Google search result pages as a passive-agressive way to say “the information is out there, go find it, I don’t care about you enough to explain it to you” Pasting a chatGPT response into a comment, and labeling it as such, feels the same to me. It is more , not less, insulting than trying to pass an AI response off as your own.

Ah, good old lmgtfy links. I googled it just now and it seems to have broken.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

lionkor wrote: post #897

If you feel the need to fix/edit your own comments with AI, keep in mind that this is not necessary at all. If someone can't figure out what you're saying, and don't care to try, they can run their LLM over it and have it summarize it with emojis, bullet points, and slightly changed content. You dont need to do that for all of us.

> If someone can't figure out what you're saying, and don't care to try,

This puts the onus of being comprehensible to the reader, which isn't fair I think. If you can't get your point across in a way that is comprehensible, maybe don't post.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

gr8tyeah wrote: post #363
abtinf wrote: post #67

Good. This helps establish it in the HN culture. That’s the purpose of guidelines. 99% of rule enforcement, both IRL and online, comes down to individuals accepting the culture. Rules aren’t really for adversaries, they are for ordinary situations. Adversaries are dealt with differently.

This is only meaningful if enough people read it and agree

That's assuming community input / democracy, but especially online there's a good argument to be made for authoritarianism.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

dang wrote: post #793
kjuulh wrote: post #571

I am 100% behind this. I've been browsing hackernews since I started in tech, it is the only forum i regularly browse, and partake in. Simply because the quality of submissions and conversations are so high. There has been more AI related articles this part year, and it only seems ramping. I personally haven't found the AI part of the comments as big of a deal but dang and tom might be doing more than I realize on th…

The dynamics of content production are shifting hard right now. Things that used to signal something interesting are being generated in minutes with little thought. It's getting democratized, but also commoditized. It's too soon to know how this is going to shake out, so we should resist the temptation to impose rules prematurely. And we should especially not do so out of resistance to change (when has that ever work…

> It's too soon to know how this is going to shake out, so we should resist the temptation to impose rules prematurely.

alternative view. it is going way too quickly and premature rules can be reduced if the actual damage is less than theexpected model.

You can always make things easier, its much harder to rebuild a community that hass been destroyed.

> And we should especially not do so out of resistance to change (when has that ever worked out?)

You saying that in a website with a UI straight out of the 90s is really fucking funny. Cause HN is a perfect example of resistance to change working out. Facebook chased every trend and failed (the social media, meta as an ad platform is doing ok), tech blogs chased trends and failed. This place said "nah this is good", and is still here.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by blank_dvth »

kjuulh wrote: post #571

I am 100% behind this. I've been browsing hackernews since I started in tech, it is the only forum i regularly browse, and partake in. Simply because the quality of submissions and conversations are so high. There has been more AI related articles this part year, and it only seems ramping. I personally haven't found the AI part of the comments as big of a deal but dang and tom might be doing more than I realize on th…

If you haven't yet checked it out, I'd recommend taking a look at Tildes for similarly high quality submissions/conversations as on HN. It really is such a breath of fresh air compared to most other platforms.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by rurp »

kjuulh wrote: post #571

I am 100% behind this. I've been browsing hackernews since I started in tech, it is the only forum i regularly browse, and partake in. Simply because the quality of submissions and conversations are so high. There has been more AI related articles this part year, and it only seems ramping. I personally haven't found the AI part of the comments as big of a deal but dang and tom might be doing more than I realize on th…

I feel the same and find myself extending it beyond forums. I've started skipping over articles about AI more and more from authors I normally enjoy reading because so few of those articles end up being particularly interesting or insightful.

AI is obviously an important topic but it has been discussed to absolute death the past couple years and very few people have anything useful to add at this point. Things will of course evolve and change in the near term but someone speculating that maybe this will happen or that will happen isn't very useful.

Given the risks and unknowns I think we should collectively be treating it as a major risk to our economic and national security, and figuring out how to mitigate the downside risks without stifling the upside. But most of the people in power have zero interest in doing that so we're all going to YOLO this in real time.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Freebytes »

Using AI to write content is seen so harshly because it violates the previously held social contract that it takes more effort to write messages than to read messages. If a person goes through the trouble of thinking out and writing an argument or message, then reading is a sufficient donation of time.

However, with the recent chat based AI models, this agreement has been turned around. It is now easier to get a written message than to read it. Reading it now takes more effort. If a person is not going to take the time to express messages based on their own thoughts, then they do not have sufficient respect for the reader, and their comments can be dismissed for that reason.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by mlhpdx »

Freebytes wrote: post #949

Using AI to write content is seen so harshly because it violates the previously held social contract that it takes more effort to write messages than to read messages. If a person goes through the trouble of thinking out and writing an argument or message, then reading is a sufficient donation of time. However, with the recent chat based AI models, this agreement has been turned around. It is now easier to get a writ…

Where does the line fall? I can use an LLM to help form new and novel thoughts into prose, right? To structure and present it in conventional language rather than stream of thought. Is that disrespectful? It doesn't feel so.
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