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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by tremon »

gamblor956 wrote: post #347
thfuran wrote: post #258

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>Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far Over a million people in the US died of COVID. It's impossible to know exactly how many of them would've lived if the pandemic started under a president with a saner response than recommending injecting disinfectant, but I'm willing to bet it's more than two.

Parent is referring to the same president as the grandparent... Trump has murdered 2 innocent U.S. citizens so far, and was president when COVID started. Trump's response to COVID was part of why he lost the 2020 election.

> Trump has murdered 2 innocent U.S. citizens so far

Are you referring to documented murders from the Epstein files, or to Melissa and Mark Hoffman?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by csmpltn »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #933
csmpltn wrote: post #200

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ISIS also broke out of countries like Syria, which nobody messed with until after their civil war and the ISIS takeover. Which is to say that the problem isn’t the Iraq war - but Islam. It’s literally called ISIS - and you blame the US for it?

Everything is linked, Syrian civil War didn't happen out of nowhere. There was an environment of instability in middle east, some is inherent to these countries, but a big part is because another cointry came in 2003 and decided to make of Irak a failed country by bombing all their infrastructures.

Iraq is not the victim here, my friend. Iraq has willingly implicated itself in multiple wars. Unfortunately for Iraq, it was one war too many. Iraq didn't back down, despite having alternatives. Iraq could've negotiated its way out of a war throughout the entire time, but chose violence instead.

I'm tired of people dunking on the west.

Iraq today is likely a better place to live in than Iraq under Saddam. That's thanks to a painful and costly intervention. Muslims continue messing it up for everybody everywhere, the way they always did, regardless of geography or circumstances, under any pretence and excuse under the sun. West gets blamed for it no matter what. Rinse and repeat. It's getting old.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by ahartmetz »

throwawayheui57 wrote: post #901
ahartmetz wrote: post #450

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In both countries, the educated population likes the religious leader less than the uneducated population. In Germany, most Turkish immigrants are from rather basic backgrounds and most Iranian immigrants are from intellectual backgrounds. It makes a huge difference. In both countries of origin, the population is split much more evenly than what you see abroad. AFAIK, about 50% support the religious strongman in both…

> AFAIK, about 50% support the religious strongman in both countries. Do you have any credible source for this?

For Turkey, election results. For Iran, no hard numbers, just fuzzy memory about articles I've read. What is clear is that the regime has supporters and not just those who benefit directly / materially.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by tim333 »

ignoramous wrote: post #594
tim333 wrote: post #553

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No harm in wishing people well really.

Hell of a way to wish them well by jeopardising their financial, political, social, and religious well-being.

Neither of us were cheerleading the bombing. Just saying we hope things work out.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by Someone »

hackandthink wrote: post #843
UncleMeat wrote: post #686

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Germany was also split in two for fifty years.

fourty (1945 - 1949 it was split in 4 occupation zones)

If you ignore Berlin (which, I think, kept its four occupation zones) it were first four, three from January 1, 1947, and two from from August 1, 1948 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizone)

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by ignoramous »

tim333 wrote: post #944
ignoramous wrote: post #594

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Hell of a way to wish them well by jeopardising their financial, political, social, and religious well-being.

Neither of us were cheerleading the bombing. Just saying we hope things work out.

tim333, I do believe you when you say you weren't. May be I am projecting and was out of sorts. Apologies.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by rmm78 »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #930
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #39

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It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years

If Israel & the US prevail, Israel will treat Iran as the do their other neighbors, bombing them whenever they feel like it and murdering your relatives there. Take a look at Syria where they installed the head of Al-Qaeda/HTS. The IDF has carried out 600 attacks there since 2024 till present. They have attacked the following areas since 2023: Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, Syria & Yemen.

Nope, every action protects Israeli citizens from the Iran terrorist regime. Thanks to Trump Iran will soon be Israel's ally again. Jews & Persians have centuries of mutual respect, the islamists were just a temporary curse

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by mfru »

UltraSane wrote: post #829
inglor_cz wrote: post #535

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This is not completely true. The Iranian regime gained some credibility in the Sunni world by strongly supporting the Palestinian cause. You can bet that every anti-war demonstration in the West now will have as many Palestinian flags as flags of the Iranian Islamic Republic. Stranger coalitions have been put together by politics...

Oh boy flying the flag of the Islamic Republic in the US would get so much blowback. Everyone knows how incredibly evil it is. It recently killed at least 20,000 protestors to stay in power.

I hope the people doing the blowback also blowback against flying US flags, a country that is famously responsible for so, so many deaths.

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Post by SethMurphy »

Dig1t wrote: post #844
SethMurphy wrote: post #306

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Wars are almost always about commerce, history has shown that. Ideology is used to back the motive publicly, but the reason for involvement is almost always trade or commerce. This case could be different, but it is not obvious to me that this case is any different. A simple example is WW1 where the US was forced to back the UK because of their large debt to US banks, despite them still being a colonist power at the…

There is no evidence this strike has anything to do with oil, our leadership is not even saying that we will be involved with the changes on the ground. Oil prices are extremely low and have been so for a while now, domestic production is huge and we just claimed Venezuela's for ourselves as well. We have plenty of oil and again, there is just no evidence that this is motivated in any way by oil. It is purely because…

Yes, and the price of oil has gone up 10% last I saw. United states domestic oil sells at the same price. Maybe not planned, but a reality. On the flip side the possibility this affect the global economy, which includes the US, more negatively is probably true also.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by greedo »

ant6n wrote: post #876
greedo wrote: post #733

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West Germany wasn't denazified. The process was started after the surrender, but quickly and quietly stopped.

The party was forbidden, the symbols were forbidden. They hung the main leaders, quite publicly. It became a huge taboo, the ideology effectively died (for decades). A strong democracy was established, older democratic parties took over. Yes a bunch of previous nazis made it back into power and politics, but they didn't call themselves nazis or acted like nazis. But also, the country as a whole took a very different…

A lot of symbolic actions were taken, but the majority (not "a bunch") of Nazis continued to hold positions of power in both the GDR and FRG.

Justice was never served for what the Nazis did. Both the US and the USSR scooped up Nazi scientists (Operation Paperclip), and with the advent of the Cold War, the West quickly decided that it cared more about contesting Europe with the Soviets than seeking justice.

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