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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by JKCalhoun »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #790
JKCalhoun wrote: post #535

People are posting these choice quotes: "In order to get elected Barack Obama will start a war with Iran" —Donald Trump, Nov 29, 2011 "Barack Obama will attack Iran to get re-elected." —Trump, Jan 17, 2012 "Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin watch for him to launch a strike on Libya or Iran. He is desperate." —Trump, Oct 9, 2012

During the election MAGA was yelling that Kamala Harris was going to bring us into war with Iran. They are real quiet now, as usual. Republicans are always the same, cut benefits to the poor, cut taxes on the rich, war with the Middle East. Every, single, time.

"Former Vice President Kamala Harris: 'I unequivocally oppose this war'"

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2026/02/28/k...

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by bigyabai »

nemo44x wrote: post #935

One leader was kidnapped and brought to America to face justice and another was killed in his own base and not a single American died. Wow.

> and not a single American died.

That's an interesting scope of collateral damage.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by frakkingcylons »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #881
jmward01 wrote: post #710

Ok. So we have just taken out all of Israel's foes with force. They are safe now right? We can stop supporting them militarily in every way now right? They no longer need any weapons, intelligence support, defense support, etc, right? If this is the right path to their long term safety then this must be true.

To take a break from breaking havoc in Gaza, there was an israeli incursion into Lebanon (which included a fantastic supply chain attack) Then they tried to pick a fight in Siria for some BS reason (intervening Siria for protecting some jew friendly faction inside Siria, a la Russia protecting russiansnin Ukraine), then went to Iran, then continued milling Gaza, and now we are back at Iran, again. No, support will ne…

Have you never seen the word Syria spelled out?

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by bigyabai »

xdennis wrote: post #440
upmind wrote: post #247

How did the US justify this?

1. Iranians protested. 2. Islamists massacred them. 3. Trump said "help is on its way" ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/13/trump-promises... ) 4. Now is the help. --- Trump also said that when he says things he means them, unlike Obama's red lines in Syria (his words). When he said that, it was pretty clear he couldn't back off of attacking Iran. I assume it took so long because he's going for regime chan…

> Trump also said that when he says things he means them

He says all sorts of things. Remember when Iran's nuclear facilities were "obliterated" and any "suggestions otherwise are fake news"? https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/irans-nuclear-fa...

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by asdfe3r343 »

rambojohnson wrote: post #712
Arun2009 wrote: post #426

I am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA. I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own…

You’re mistaking the packaging for the product. Religion is the language leaders use. Power, territory, oil corridors, regional dominance, and domestic political survival are what they’re actually fighting over. Tehran isn’t calculating missile ranges based on sutras. Washington doesn’t position carrier groups because of metaphysics. Israel’s security doctrine isn’t a meditation retreat. Spiritual narratives make cle…

> Religion is the language leaders use.

Yeah. Because people believe in in and leaders take advantage. DUH. Its not so peaceful religion all the way.

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Post by yadaeno »

whearyou wrote: post #588

What are the chances that HN is getting astroturfed these days? Are mods strict about it? I lots of relatively new accounts coming with what seems to me extreme, but altogether pop-culture acceptable opinions

Take a look at the Iran subreddit.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by jmward01 »

whearyou wrote: post #588

What are the chances that HN is getting astroturfed these days? Are mods strict about it? I lots of relatively new accounts coming with what seems to me extreme, but altogether pop-culture acceptable opinions

Your account, while 10 years old, only has comments from the past year. It is becoming very hard to tell what accounts are real and which are fake. Social proof of account activity pre-llm (usable) could be a very important thing in the future.

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Post by mlsu »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #819
papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

Another aspect of a WW3 is that people- pretty much ALL people everywhere- who have nothing to do with the war will find their lives threatened or completely changed by it. I'm less concerned about nuclear escalation than about biological escalation. It's quite hard to destroy the human world with nukes: you can only blow up big chunks of it, maybe take out enough power plants and supply chains to drop us into a mult…

Covid, ahem, could have been designed in a lab to be an "ideal" bioweapon. As far as viruses go it approximated just about the best bioweapon we could have made with current technology.

- very deadly

- asymptomatic spreading for a couple days

- spreads easy

- no tests/vaccine (early on)

It did kill a lot of people, that's for sure, and caused a huge disruption. But was far less disruptive, imo, than e.g. a nuke in multiple big cities would have been, even if the death toll was similar.

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Post by js2 »

nonethewiser wrote: post #834
Arun2009 wrote: post #426

I am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA. I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own…

I have a very hard time understanding how the US is attacking Iran because of Christianity. I cannot even anticipate the hypothesis.

America's Evangelical Christian Right:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/29/us/iran-israel-evangelicals-p...

https://archive.ph/Pz81T

Huckabee one week ago:

"Citing the book of Genesis, Carlson asked whether the modern state of Israel had a right to the lands promised in the Bible by God to Abraham, stretching from the Euphrates River to the Nile, covering much of the Middle East. In response, Huckabee said: “It would be fine if they took it all. But I don’t think that’s what we’re talking about here today.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/21/mike-huckabee-claims-israel-...

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