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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by direwolf20 »

zahlman wrote: post #937
direwolf20 wrote: post #826

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One of the victims was blocking half the low traffic road and intending for people to pass freely on the other half. The other was filming from a distance.

> blocking half the low traffic road and intending for people to pass freely on the other half. Which is obstructive, especially given that there was parking on both sides and everyone is in an SUV. > The other was filming from a distance. No, he is very clearly seen on video in the middle of the road directing traffic, and then physically interposing himself between an officer and another person who the officer may…

Does parking on a road justify a death penalty without trial?

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by Aushin »

nailer wrote: post #925
QuercusMax wrote: post #914

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Preventing out-of-control federal officers from committing crimes is NOT criminal. Especially when you don't even know if they ARE federal officers, and won't show their faces, badges, or warrants.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46798601

I care more about reining in the overweight GEDstapo agents murdering people in the street than people blowing whistles at them.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by Starman_Jones »

nailer wrote: post #922
rickydroll wrote: post #915

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Organized as in they have meetings, serve cookies, and coffee? Most likely not. These anti-ice groups seem to be extemporaneous meetups. Define obstruction. Everything reported, blowing whistles, encouraging businesses not provide service to ICE agents, and recording from a distance is not obstruction. It's a First Amendment right to keep government forces in check.

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To answer your question, no, I don't think the organized activity is criminal, and I don't believe the alleged criminal activity is organized.

A question for you: using your definition, do you think that ICE is an organized crime group?

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Post by dang »

rsingel wrote: post #650
Empact wrote: post #643

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Yikes - I know that emotions are understandably running hot right now, but you can't attack another HN user like this, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. (The same goes in the other direction, of course - indeed, in all directions.)

I'm sure you know that we ban accounts that break the rules like this. You've been a good HN member for a long time, so I don't want to do that.

The best way I know of to make the moderation point here is the "you may not owe" pattern (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...) - in this case: you may not owe people who disagree with you on critical political issues better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by QuercusMax »

nailer wrote: post #925
QuercusMax wrote: post #914

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventing out-of-control federal officers from committing crimes is NOT criminal. Especially when you don't even know if they ARE federal officers, and won't show their faces, badges, or warrants.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46798601

Do you agree with the ICE agent who said "You raise your voice, we erase your voice?" Is that an acceptable thing for federal officers to do, or is that unconstitutional, criminal violation of civil rights?

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Post by colpabar »

nailer wrote: post #922
rickydroll wrote: post #915

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organized as in they have meetings, serve cookies, and coffee? Most likely not. These anti-ice groups seem to be extemporaneous meetups. Define obstruction. Everything reported, blowing whistles, encouraging businesses not provide service to ICE agents, and recording from a distance is not obstruction. It's a First Amendment right to keep government forces in check.

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Comments like this just make me think people are jealous that right wing groups aren't good at organizing.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by solaris2007 »

HEmanZ wrote: post #821
solaris2007 wrote: post #767

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> or you have a child or family member in one of our concentration camps I must be one of those comfortable and oblivious tech workers because I don't know about any concentration camps in the US. So you'll have to tell me what this is about.

There aren’t Nazi-style extermination camps in the U.S., but an extermination camp is just a subset of concentration camps. There are large-scale immigration detention facilities, with 60k+ people on any given day, where tens of thousands of people are held without criminal trials. Enforcement often targets identity proxies like race, accent, neighborhood, sweeps up citizens and legal residents, uses expedited deport…

This may come as a shock to someone stuck in a radical far left bubble but people who are not either a citizen of one of the several states or not a citizen of the federal government (nor both) are not parties to the agreement that is the constitution.

"concentration camp" isn't a root command line term to people with critical thinking skills.

Anyone who is neither a state citizen or federal citizen and does not have a valid VISA (or some equivalent) is an unlawful invader.

Again, this may come as a shock to someone stuck in a radical far left bubble, but most Americans' sentiment, the Americans who are busy raising their families, the ones who actually pay all the taxes that pay to house and feed all of these unlawful invaders stuck in limbo is: they are lucky we don't just kill them all.

I know it's shocking to those stuck in a radical far left bubble, but it's the reality. The state governments and federal governments were formed to protect what the founders wrote: "our posterity". Not every third world rando who shows up for the gibs Biden promised rather than fix their own country.

If you want to be effective in your activism, try to avoid "rhetorical correct" terms. Those terms only work on a particular lower class and only piss off the people with critical thinking skills because it comes across as trying to bullshit them in a malicious way (which it is).

edited: to add "(or some equivalent)"

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by mangodrunk »

rickydroll wrote: post #915
nailer wrote: post #836

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> grassroots political opponents Organised criminal activity. Edit: I’m not complaining about moderation but it would be fascinating to know what part of this others believe is incorrect: - Do you think the Anti ICE groups are not organised? - Do you think obstructing federal officers is not criminal? - Something else.

Organized as in they have meetings, serve cookies, and coffee? Most likely not. These anti-ice groups seem to be extemporaneous meetups. Define obstruction. Everything reported, blowing whistles, encouraging businesses not provide service to ICE agents, and recording from a distance is not obstruction. It's a First Amendment right to keep government forces in check.

There are many anti ICE activists that are organized. ACLU and Indivisible are two such groups. There are many instances of people obstructing federal agents by anti ICE activists and protesters.
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