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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by alistairSH »

antiframe wrote: post #756
scottyah wrote: post #351

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Sure, if you’re talking about high-power trucks (F350, Ram 3500). A Ford Maverick hybrid will get far better fuel consumption. I think more sports cars are burning out, revving loudly (or getting modified to take out their mufflers), and the damage from going a lot faster creates more damage.

It might depend on where you live. Nine times out of then when a vehicle with an obnoxiously loud and high revved gear vehicle drives by it's a truck. Probably more like 95% of the time.

Around here, it's usually beater Accords or other random generic sedans. With fake LEds, slammed to the ground, and lots of dents.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by jahsome »

m463 wrote: post #405
jahsome wrote: post #222

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As someone who's just been trying to buy a crappy used truck to haul some crap to the dump a couple times a year, you're absolutely spot on. I even live in the southwest US where trucks make up a considerable portion of vehicles on the road. Crappy used trucks simply aren't up for sale. And even the rare listing I do come across, the asking price is ridiculously inflated.

I was looking for the same thing and a friend gave me some advice. Get an SUV with a trailer hitch. worked out great. Maybe better than a pickup. For example - taking mountain bikes somewhere to ride - you can put them in the back, go ride, and leave them there while you go eat without someone stealing them. You can even load them the night before. dirty stuff can use a trailer (I've never needed one) and suv carries…

I appreciate the suggestion! It's crossed my mind, but unfortunately a trailer doesn't really work for my living situation. It'd require off-site storage which just sounds like more of a headache (and expense) than I care to take on.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by jahsome »

doublesocket wrote: post #427
m463 wrote: post #405

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I was looking for the same thing and a friend gave me some advice. Get an SUV with a trailer hitch. worked out great. Maybe better than a pickup. For example - taking mountain bikes somewhere to ride - you can put them in the back, go ride, and leave them there while you go eat without someone stealing them. You can even load them the night before. dirty stuff can use a trailer (I've never needed one) and suv carries…

Never understood why the yanks don't like vans? Pickups are much less popular here in the UK, many more people use vans. A crew cab van with removable seats is infinitely more flexible than a pickup, other than long stuff which you chuck on a roof rack.

"infinitely" more flexible is kinda laughable -- Van's have a height restriction. They're inherently more limited.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by jahsome »

wooger wrote: post #810
jahsome wrote: post #222

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As someone who's just been trying to buy a crappy used truck to haul some crap to the dump a couple times a year, you're absolutely spot on. I even live in the southwest US where trucks make up a considerable portion of vehicles on the road. Crappy used trucks simply aren't up for sale. And even the rare listing I do come across, the asking price is ridiculously inflated.

Do you not have services in the US to do this for you? The problem: I have a pile of construction waste, household junk, garden waste etc. is solved by many businesses who'll come pick it up for a small fee. If your local government doesn't offer this, there are many commercial operators that do this in the UK. Seems bizarre to buy a whole giant, inefficient, vehicle just for 'hauling' occasionally.

Scheduling a "bulk trash" pick up at my current home is only accomplished by calling my landlord, who then calls the trash company, who then calls back with some arbitrary date and time a month or more in the future. When I have crap I want to get rid of it, I don't want to deal with any of that. I'll take the "inefficiency" of storing and maintaining a second vehicle -- which my family would easily make use of other than hauling duties -- over dealing with the bureaucratic nuisance.

There are private options, of course, but the fees are nowhere near "small" for this service.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by jahsome »

SJC_Hacker wrote: post #723
jahsome wrote: post #222

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As someone who's just been trying to buy a crappy used truck to haul some crap to the dump a couple times a year, you're absolutely spot on. I even live in the southwest US where trucks make up a considerable portion of vehicles on the road. Crappy used trucks simply aren't up for sale. And even the rare listing I do come across, the asking price is ridiculously inflated.

Rent?

For me personally, it's too much hassle. Between the paperwork, rental fees, getting a ride to and from, etc. I just start to lose motivation, and end up deciding to do the chore the "next weekend" which never comes. I need as few barriers between me and accomplishing a chore if I ever want to have any hope of completing it.

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Post by mrguyorama »

bombcar wrote: post #866
shusaku wrote: post #571

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I guess that’s kind of the defense of Musk on the cyber truck. If Ford can’t sell hem off their F150 platform, it means you need to make more of a splash. He just went too far…

I've seen an argument that the Prius was intentionally made "ugly/noticeable" because they knew the buyers would be interested in the technology AND want to be recognizable as such. When hybrids are common, the styling reverted to more normal car-like.

The first gen Prius just looked like an average car

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius_(XW10)

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by c0brac0bra »

rootusrootus wrote: post #406
c0brac0bra wrote: post #312

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Have we completely forgotten about how Tesla dealerships were shot up, firebombed? Video after video showing cybertrucks vandalized with scratches and spray paint? It may be a terrible car from a terrible program, but these events at least bear mentioning. If you saw it happening in 2025, would it have a cooling effect on your decision to purchase? Who would want the trouble?

Lots of people are still buying other Teslas.

The discussion was about the cybertruck. If vandalism specifically against cybertrucks has cooled sentiment, then a response stating that all the other Tesla models are still selling is a non sequiter.

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Post by irishcoffee »

wooger wrote: post #816
driverdan wrote: post #676

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Most of what you said is not true, at least for a full sized van. Sure you may not want to get it dirty inside, that makes sense. But they have more space than an 8' pickup bed. You can absolutely carry 2000lbs in a 1 ton van. An ATV or a couch will fit in one better than a pickup.

Yep, the bed of a van being 2-3 feet lower than a truck saves a lot of pointless effort, and having that load carried lower makes far more sense.

Not all trucks are lifted… but sure, the tailgate of a van is a few inches lower than the tailgate of a truck. Inches, not even a half foot.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by irishcoffee »

wooger wrote: post #815
irishcoffee wrote: post #529

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I wouldn't want to haul 3 yards of dirt/mulch in a van, or yard refuse. I wouldn't want to try and move a full-sized fridge in a van, or a queen bed box spring, neither will fit. I can't fit an ATV in a van, and I really don't want to put a dead deer in the back of a van after I hunt one. I wouldn't trust a van to haul 75 8x8x16 concrete bricks (over 2000 lbs/1100kg) because the suspension wasn't designed to do that,…

Yeah yeah, and 30-50 feral hogs could burst into your yard any moment. For moving yards of mulch, topsoil or concrete blocks, almost anyone in my country, including people in construction would just have that delivered to the site, next day, by the seller. No clue what van you're imagining, but weather alone makes many things much worse in an open bed. Moving a couch is a very common use of vans, people rent them spe…

It’s 10 bucks for me to haul mulch and topsoil from a place down the road.

It’s hundreds of dollars to have the same literal dirt, delivered and dumped on my property. So now, instead of driving the truck full of dirt around my property and using it as desired, I now need to do it one wheelbarrow full at a time.

Fuck that.

As for weather, they make removable flat and domed “roofs” for truck beds, the weather argument is a nonstarter.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by evan_ »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #684
evan_ wrote: post #563

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you can just rent a u-haul for $35 or whatever the four times a year you need it

U-haul doesn't offer those in my location. The only place that would work is home depot, but honestly its a prep so I haven't bothered yet.

I just meant rent a box truck from U-Haul, not specifically a pickup
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