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Pontevedra, Spain declares its entire urban area a "reduced traffic zone"

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Post by potato3732842 »

weweersdfsd wrote: post #928
m-schuetz wrote: post #867

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Public transport just serves as an excuse to argue against car-free policies. Public transport can never be good enough to cover any rural alley cost-effectively. It also does not need to, cities don't need to justify makong themselves more livable to their citizens, at the cost of commuters who only see the city as a parking lot and roads.

The solution is simple. Just build big parking lots outside the city where land is cheap, and a bus service from these parking lots to the inner city. That way commuters can get to their workplace and back fast enough. Making commuting viable that way is beneficial to inner-city folk too. When people who want to live further away from city can do it effectively, housing will become cheaper for those who actually want…

It works great when done well but generally the people with expensive inner suburb real estate typically fight tooth and nail to prevent that.

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Post by RataNova »

tfrutuoso wrote: post #930

I really love these posts almost as much as i love the signs blocking cars from a certain area of my city's center, except for -amongst the common sense exceptions- cars owned by the office of the mayor. Rules for thee, or something or other. Is it fair to have more public transportation, bike lanes, bus lanes, walkable paths? yes. Is it fair to lock entire urban areas from cars? Not at all.

I think there's a distinction between limiting cars and banning them outright

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Post by tecleandor »

gcanyon wrote: post #937
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #877

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> Unfortunately, the major obsessed with getting rid of cars (which I am highly grateful) but forgot to provide reliable public transport to close-by villages (max 5km,i.e., Poio/Marin/Salcedo). He can't! Mayors in Spain do not have the authority to establish public transportation outside their municipality, as is the case of the villages you mention. That would fall under the authority of the Xunta de Galicia, which…

I'm looking for a place to move to in 5-10 years, and A Coruña is one of the places I've been researching! A friend from Spain says it's too cloudy/rainy. What do you think about the weather and any points in general about your city?

What's your current city? To find something comparable...

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Post by ses1984 »

Saline9515 wrote: post #855
ses1984 wrote: post #740

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If you had a source for those claims, it might be interesting.

https://cdn.paris.fr/paris/2024/07/12/paris_ra2023-circulati... First chart shows that average speed for cars have decreased steadily. For surface parking a simple google search will help you find it.

The part that I don’t see is how this is actually a significant causal factor driving families out.

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Post by gcanyon »

tecleandor wrote: post #943
gcanyon wrote: post #937

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I'm looking for a place to move to in 5-10 years, and A Coruña is one of the places I've been researching! A friend from Spain says it's too cloudy/rainy. What do you think about the weather and any points in general about your city?

What's your current city? To find something comparable...

I've lived all over the place. Currently New York, but not looking to replicate that. Goal is someplace walkable with nice weather and people, and adequate health care. We've spent time in Portugal, Uruguay, Argentina, Thailand, England, and several others for brief visits. Oh, and decent internet :-)

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Post by rafram »

kortilla wrote: post #871
sombrero_john wrote: post #561

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Renting is perfectly fine. NYC has the strongest tenant protection laws in the country.

Renting has to support the mortgage on that. The only difference between being able to afford a house and affording rent is having the capital for a down payment

That’s not really true. Renting is significantly more affordable than buying in NYC right now. I don’t know the exact reasons, but presumably most landlords bought a long time ago and refinanced when rates were low.

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Post by komali2 »

int_19h wrote: post #821
komali2 wrote: post #276

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This isn't my experience, but I understand some countries have overloaded public transit systems. When I've been in those countries, it's been simple enough to just let an overloaded train pass and grab the next one.

During the rush hour, the next train is going to be just as packed. And if you wait long enough for things to quiet down, you're not going to be at work on time.

This doesn't happen to me where I live. It's time to increase your city's transportation budget!

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Post by Daishiman »

ericmay wrote: post #723
Daishiman wrote: post #721

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Being nice and being empathetic are very different things. Niceties are protocol; you can be empathetic and considerate while displaying very different types of mannerisms.

Ok. Americans are nice, kind, empathetic, polite, and considerate. Or is there more you want to quibble about on this topic?

I’ve found a good chunk of Americans to be vacuous, self centered and obsessed with performative individualism. Other people don’t need to make a show about their kindness.

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Post by troyvit »

bluGill wrote: post #376
troyvit wrote: post #156

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I'll add that cities in the U.S. west, which did most of their growing after cars were invented, just don't have what it takes. At this point they're trying to find a way to squeeze bike lanes into roads that were never designed for them. They're trying to pay for public transit between metro centers that are 50 miles apart and separated by gulfs of nothingness. A hub system is much harder to support when the center…

> A hub system is much harder to support when the center is so far from the edges. Actually that makes it easier, particularly if it is really nothing between as you can built high speed routes that are faster than cars, and put hubs out on the edges where people are. the reality though is it is rarely nothing inbetween. Most people are not going to the "hub", they are going to some other location and so you need an…

I see what you're saying and it exposes a gap in my logic. I think the reason _I_ see it as hard is because I live in one of those gaps, so service is relatively limited compared to places further east with more density. Buuut the whole point is that, even though there are 95k of us in my town, we're still expensive to service for a 50 mile ride to the hub.

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Post by nonethewiser »

freetime2 wrote: post #746
nonethewiser wrote: post #615

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I think Tokyo proves my point. You see less bikes on the road and more on the sidewalks. Roads are relatively narrow and bike lanes are less common there than the West. Perhaps I could have been more clear, but that was my major point of contention. Bike lanes on the road are problematic. And of course its a given that the trains will have their own dedicated paths. a comment about bikes on the sidewalk in tokyo: htt…

The comment you’re quoting also says Tokyo “would be a lot better for cycling if they installed more dedicated infrastructure, but it works as-is” and overall refers to Tokyo as a success in terms of bicycle adoption.

Yes, and it doesnt put everything together. IE bikes on the road
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