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Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by cbsmith »

theshrike79 wrote: post #785
cbsmith wrote: post #109

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> Nobody wants to pay for a trillion dollar cloud bill. Buying dedicated hardware as a way to keep your AI bill down seems like a tough proposition for your average consumer. Unless you're using AI constantly, renting AI capacity when you need it is just going to be cheaper. The win with the on-device model is you don't have to go out to the network in the first place.

The "dedicated hardware" will be an Apple TV in the Apple ecosystem for example if something centralised is needed. Or just your phone or laptop. Fully local, nothing leaves the device.

So if your AI compute needs are handled by an Apple TV, I'd be really curious how those same needs served by the cloud work out to a trillion dollars.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by cbsmith »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #504
cbsmith wrote: post #109

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> Nobody wants to pay for a trillion dollar cloud bill. Buying dedicated hardware as a way to keep your AI bill down seems like a tough proposition for your average consumer. Unless you're using AI constantly, renting AI capacity when you need it is just going to be cheaper. The win with the on-device model is you don't have to go out to the network in the first place.

You misunderstood what I meant, I mean make models that run on potatoes, nobody wants to pay what chatgpt's subscription model probably SHOULD cost for them to make a profit.

So the idea is that it SHOULD cost OpenAI a trillion dollars to do what you can accomplish with a potato?

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by red369 »

jama211 wrote: post #744
red369 wrote: post #679

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I agree with you, but I like the reminder that I probably shouldn't be using my phone for whatever I'm doing anyway. If I'm at home, I should make the small effort to get a tablet or a laptop. If I'm out, should I just set a reminder and do it later and listen to something instead? I realise that for many people, that time might be their only time available for doing whatever they were going to do, but on the other h…

That seems pretty judgemental. Lots of things I do that might not “look important” can be very important. I do a lot of work on my phone including research that would look like browsing to a bystander.

Yup - I think that's fair. It is completely a value judgement. But without ill will, and not particularly heartfelt.

Regarding your point about things that are actually work in disguise, I basically look at browsing web pages as productive work these days compared to alternatives. There are only so many people who can be moderators working for TikTok, or researching endless-scroll or content recommendation algorithms. :)

But even taking what people are doing at face-value, perhaps TikTok/Reels/Shorts is actually important for their wellbeing. I think it is more likely harmful, but I'm guessing.

I think it would be better if people spent less time looking at phone screens (no matter how big), but as long as it's their choice, people should do what they want to do! I have a vague concern that people might be increasingly doing something that they want to do in the short term, but not in the long term, but probably that's always been the way.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by sifar »

daemonologist wrote: post #81
the__alchemist wrote: post #2

Looks like they're still only available in "Huge" and "comically oversized". I guess I can keep buying Pixel 4s until new ones (req for battery) are no longer available.

I replaced my 4a (which is not particularly small) after Google nerfed the battery into oblivion, but every once in a while I get it out of its drawer and am always immediately struck by how much better the form factor is. Using a modern phone with a 6+ inch screen feels like trying to tie a knot with one hand.

My 4a didn't have the battery issue due to GrapheneOS, however, it the screen died recently (twice), so I got a pixel 9 with GrapheneOS. But yeah, it is uncomfortable to use the phone with one hand - I miss the small sized 4a.

On the other hand, it would be fun to explore these on device SLMs on a more capable phone with extra ram/storage.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by giancarlostoro »

cbsmith wrote: post #942
giancarlostoro wrote: post #504

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You misunderstood what I meant, I mean make models that run on potatoes, nobody wants to pay what chatgpt's subscription model probably SHOULD cost for them to make a profit.

So the idea is that it SHOULD cost OpenAI a trillion dollars to do what you can accomplish with a potato?

No, not even sure how you arrived to that conclusion. The idea is that there are models out there that can run on small amounts of VRAM. If all it costs is charging your phone, as opposed to some subscription to some overvalued AI company, people will choose ‘free’ first. We have models that can google things now. They only need to know so much when online, and a specific subset when offline.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by simfree »

lostlogin wrote: post #919
simfree wrote: post #624

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The new Intel NUCs are only like a hundred something dollars for an N150 CPU and come with 16 gigs of RAM and a SSD. Why pay so much more to fight an uphill battle? Unless you desperately need the hot garbage that is Xcode there isn't much reason to deal with Mac Minis running MacOS as a server. One update and it will suspend and be unwakeable without physical interaction.

I had a list of things I wanted: I have limited space so needed a small form factor. I am on solar and wanted power usage to be low. I wanted 10Gb Ethernet. It’s on a smart plug, so I can power cycle it remotely. The hardware is far superior to any Nuc, I have at 4 or 5 of those already, I really like them. MacOS is a struggle, but I think I’ve tamed it. I wasn’t the one paying.

If your not paying, then it really does not matter.

10Gbps equipment is pretty spendy

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by cbsmith »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #945
cbsmith wrote: post #942

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So the idea is that it SHOULD cost OpenAI a trillion dollars to do what you can accomplish with a potato?

No, not even sure how you arrived to that conclusion. The idea is that there are models out there that can run on small amounts of VRAM. If all it costs is charging your phone, as opposed to some subscription to some overvalued AI company, people will choose ‘free’ first. We have models that can google things now. They only need to know so much when online, and a specific subset when offline.

I think there are lots of advantages to running a model locally. Saving money is one of them, but that's only if you can keep the thing busy. You wisely put the "free" in quotes for a reason: you paid money for the hardware the model is running on, and you're paying for the electrical bill to power it too. Even if you pay a 100% markup to the cloud, unless you're keeping it busy 50% of the time, it's cheaper to rent.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by Mistletoe »

nunez wrote: post #700
Mistletoe wrote: post #198

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Just bought a used iPhone 13 Mini last week to replace my 12 Mini. This has to last me...apparently until the heat death of the universe.

I love my 13 mini but its battery is just too anemic. Slapping a MagSafe battery on it defeats the purpose of having a small phone. My 16 Pro lasts me all day, but I absolutely hate using it, as I don't do very much with my phone in the first place. I feel stuck.

Why does it run out so fast? I thought the 13 Mini had pretty good battery life? They say it is much better than my 12 Mini which I do fine with in one day. What's your battery health at?

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by monkeyelite »

andybak wrote: post #783
monkeyelite wrote: post #681

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> The left/right brain thing is pseudo-science It's real in terms of consciousness - brains switch between modes depending on activity. You can try it and feel the switch yourself. Whether that switch is localized, or whether people have more affinity for one than the other is probably what's fake.

I think we're talking about different things. I'm referring to the "logical vs intuitive" character type distinction.

Agreed. Im just saying the origin of those terms is a distortion of a real effect. In your “right brained” mode you are more intuitive. So then people said I’m a “right brained” person.

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by starky »

fariszr wrote: post #834
starky wrote: post #778

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>The performance is just unacceptable, it's already 50%+ slower than a snapdragon 8 elite flagship released in the same year. This is the one thing I don't understand. How many people actually need the top end SoCs that other flagships come with. Phones have been more than fast enough for a long time now. Other than playing some games with tough visuals mid range SoCs are still more than powerful enough. Complaints a…

It matters when the phone is supposed to last more than two years. Poor battery life is a symptom of a slow CPU, things that don't require full performance on a snapdragon 8 elite take double the time in a pixel while needing full turbo performance. Don't get me started on the terrible modem efficiency. These issues are there since the Pixel 6, and Google clearly just doesn't care.

The Pixel 7 Pro is essentially 3 years old and I notice next to zero difference compared to my Galaxy S25. I argue for most people they wouldn't notice a speed difference between even a 3 year old mid-range SoC and today's flagship SoCs.

Poor battery life has much more to do with the size of the battery and how the CPU speed is managed in software. Today's SoCs, even mid range ones could suck a battery to zero in short order. At the end of the day, even if you have a newer SoC built on a more efficient smaller process node they turn around and run it at a higher clock speed and you lose the benefit.

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