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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by acdha »

sam345 wrote: post #502
pwarner wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly The aggressive raids aren't in Florida or Texas, or even California farm county, they're targeting urban areas, and getting the intended headlines.

Not true.. they are doing the raids elsewhere including Texas. Florida cracked down on the state level on businessrs a year ago so not as much of a problem as far as I understand.

A core group of Texas Republicans have for years blocked attempts to require employees to verify worker status because some key donors in that state own construction or agriculture businesses which depend on cheap labor. Having a few raids is good for them politically because it gives them free campaign advertising but it doesn’t cost businesses much since it’s infrequent and the penalties are lower than the amount they save in wages (not to mention indirect benefits like keeping workers from saying anything about unsafe conditions).

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/05/texas-e-verify-requi...

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by leereeves »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #881
snarf21 wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

And power. Like their power over this young girl trying to go home: Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1l88mhj/lap... Old dead link: https://www.reddit.com/r/chaoticgood/comments/1l8ax0z/protes... Remember, less lethal does not mean non-lethal and doesn't mean it can't cause enough damage to impact someone's quality of life forever.

Definitely a disturbing abuse of power, but it's LAPD. Where's the connection to Republicans?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ralfd »

anonymid wrote: post #735
jl6 wrote: post #514

It's clear that many commenters here are operating from completely different factual bases, in terms of who did what, and in what order. Fog of war seems to be in effect.

I agree - there seems to be talking past each other about some very fundamental things: How extensive is the violence of the protests? I saw some images shared of cars that were burned, maybe some buildings damaged. But also lots of images from other protests from previous years. Are the images of the same 3 cars and storefronts or many? Trump says the riots are out of control, Newsom says the protests are largely pe…

Even with you trying to be factual, how you present this still shows your bias. Plus you rationalize the opposite arguments away (“overestimate”) and boost the ones you agree with.

From the first Claude link:

> Damage remains far below 2020 George Floyd protest levels

Ugh. Is this the bar now?

Aside from quantifications, I see the disagreement largely on the qualitative/philosophical/ideological (tribal) side. An inverse of the Jan 6th insurrection (which also caused much less damage than the George Floyd riots, and much less than now in LA, so was it ok in retrospect?). But the damage was not in property, but that the state and its laws itself was attacked. The sides are just now switched again between left/right: the former shout rule of law, the latter want resistance/insurrection.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by tekknik »

BrenBarn wrote: post #339
peterbecich wrote: post #311

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GOP and Dems have been nearly evenly matched for years in Congress now. There was no prospect of dramatic legal overhaul i.m.o., let alone any new Constitutional amendments. Graph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_Stat...

And they're still nearly evenly matched and Trump is still doing what he's doing. The Democrats could have done all the same stuff Trump is doing, but for good instead of evil. The problem is that the Democrats are not willing to accept that the system is entirely broken, so they keep clinging to a belief in "institutions" that they think will somehow magically protect us, when in fact those institutions are destroyi…

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Post by marcusverus »

csours wrote: post #229

Ahead of time, and from the inside, it looks and sounds like 'restoring proper order'. Afterwards, and from the outside, it looks and sounds like ... well read some history about attempts to 'restore proper order'. The outcome and progression is entirely and sadly predictable. It's been about 80 years since WWII. Are we doomed to repeat this on an 80 year cycle, when the last generation who went through this passes f…

Enforcing immigration laws is a repetition of WWII?

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Post by marcusverus »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #880
spacemadness wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been pretty obvious from their behavior and rhetoric since the beginning. It’s not cynicism.

Yup. It's in project 2025, it's been their narrative since the adminsitration started. They never wanted "law and order".

A conspiracy, huh?

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Post by LorenPechtel »

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Yeah, there are systems. The problem is they are only as good as how we establish identity. And so long as identity theft is a widespread problem it's not going to work. Back in the 80s my mother was the victim of what I presume was this. The IRS was determined that she should either pay the taxes "owed" or get "her employer" to amend the W-2. What employer? She hadn't worked for *anybody* and couldn't find the supposed employer.

In hindsight I suspect the answer was to file that form to amend the W-2, but this was before the internet so it would have been much harder to get answers.

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Post by ModernMech »

CMay wrote: post #350

Everything is a constitutional crisis now, because nobody really knows what a constitutional crisis is. We're just numbing people down and normalizing the words until they mean nothing, because we aren't using them when they really matter. The details of this do not seem like they warrant calling it a constitutional crisis. When we actually face one, there won't be words we can use to describe it anymore, because we'…

> "When we actually face one"

Can you give an example of a bona fide constitutional crisis?

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Post by wltr »

alexpotato wrote: post #505
whyenot wrote: post #177

I wish Kevin Drum were still here. I often didn't agree with his politics, but his blog posts were always insightful, and I wonder what he would say about our current situation.

I didn't realize he had passed away. His posts were always insightful and it is indeed sad that he is no longer with us.

I did not know him. Read his blog for a while, he was a decent man.

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Post by shadowgovt »

lazyeye wrote: post #814
matt-attack wrote: post #601

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?

12 million is equivalent to the average population of 2 states. The Democrats, who love to lecture everybody about "protecting democracy", are attempting to sway voter demographics in their favor through illegal immigration. California used to be a Republican state till it was turned deep blue through immigration. And one-party states produce the worst, most incompetent politicians, who rise to the top not through th…

California continues to be the largest economy in the United States (and 4th largest in the world).

If they're failing, they're failing extremely well. I wonder how we get some of that failure in my part of the country?

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