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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by int_19h »

firesteelrain wrote: post #903
lantry wrote: post #898

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the law, which a judge is sworn to uphold" includes due process. The president and everyone in the executive branch has also sworn to uphold this.

Illegal immigrant gets due process when they go in front of an immigration judge. This particular judge doesn’t get to pick and choose who gets due process (nor hide illegal immigrants / criminals from ICE)

Immigration "courts" (which are administrative, so basically sham) make a mockery of due process. These are literally places where they put 3 year olds on trial without legal representation.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by int_19h »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #28
whoknowsidont wrote: post #12

Democratic states really need to start disallowing federal agents to operate within their borders and band together. Activate their respective national guards and make it happen. Yes, that means defying federal law. Yes that means exactly the consequences you want to draw from those actions. There is no other option at this point. The law is dead in the U.S.

You are asking for an armed standoff. Last time that happened in this country, college students were slaughtered by government forces.

Well then, best not come unarmed.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by mbrumlow »

crooked-v wrote: post #145
mbrumlow wrote: post #74

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I think it’s more weird that the person being a “sitting judge” is any party of the equation. At the end of the day judges are just people. I would be more worried about a system that proceeded differently because they were a judge.

A judge who's literally in the middle of an official hearing is absolutely a special case.

I do t think a sitting judge means what you think it means.

A sitting judge is a sitting judge even when they are at home sleeping.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by disqard »

exiguus wrote: post #502

How often does it happen in the us that a judge get arrested?

Multiple people in this thread are painfully obviously trying to look the other way, marshaling all their logic for this purpose, yet you waltz in here and say the quiet part out loud. Tsk tsk!

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Post by Aeolun »

foldr wrote: post #578
Miner49er wrote: post #403

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There doesn't have to be, it's up to the prosecution to prove the reason was to aid him in avoiding arrest. The judge doesn't have to provide an alternate reason.

I’m not trying to defend this arrest, but that’s not really how it works. If there’s an obvious illegal motivation for doing X and the person who did X can’t supply a plausible alternative explanation, then a jury may conclude that X was done with the illegal motivation. Say that I take an item from a store. That’s only a crime if I did it with the intent of stealing it. But the prosecution doesn’t really have to “pr…

> then a jury may conclude that X was done with the illegal motivation

I think the whole point of a jury trial is that a jury may conclude absolutely anything, regardless of evidence presented.

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Post by Aeolun »

nonethewiser wrote: post #426
Aeolun wrote: post #369

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Not necessarily to avoid his arrest, only the fact they went through a jury door is indicated for now.

That's a quote from the complaint against her. It hasnt been tried yet. Read the document. The agents showed up to arrest Flores-Ruiz. The agents complied with the courtroom deputy to wait until after the proceeding and the deputy agreed to help with the arrest. They waited outside the courtroom at the deputy's request since it was a public space and they didnt have a warrent to enter the jury chamber. The judge was…

Yeah, I read the whole thing. What an absolutely atrocious format for reading though. Makes you wonder why they bother to digitize it at all…

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Post by Aeolun »

gsibble wrote: post #463
Aeolun wrote: post #225

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This thread is especially bad though. So much flagged and dead. I feel like some true extremists descended on this one, writing both inflammatory messages as well as flagging everything they don’t like.

Every time I've written something that goes against the liberal narrative that makes the front page on HN, it's flagged in under 5 minutes. Even when it's about tech or San Francisco.

That happens in reverse too though? I see lots of liberal comments flagged that are perfectly reasonable (if not necessarily productive)

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by Daido_M »

godelski wrote: post #814
pcthrowaway wrote: post #718

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No, I'm in favour of rehabilitation and setting people up for success, and also not deporting people who have undergone a rehabilitation process. If we are going to incarcerate people under the current system (which doesn't serve to rehabilitate, and thus only serves to remove people from the general public who may be a danger to said public), then I think we shouldn't bother for people who are going to get deported…

If someone can be rehabilitated, they should be. If someone can't be rehabilitated, they should be contained[0] | If they need to be contained, we have additional concerns with deportation. | | If they are being deported freely to another country (i.e. not through extradition), then we are doing (at least) similar harm to another as to what harm would be if we just let them go in our own country. Personal ethics asid…

"I see no situation in which extra-judicial deportation (or extradition!) is the right course of action."

I see one: where the country in which the crime was committed (the "deporting country") considers spending resources to prosecute the offender, indulging him with a court process (including trial and appeal), and then housing and feeding him during his sentence (if he is jailed) not in its public interest.

I say "indulging" because due process is expensive. Why should the deporting country be obliged to spend their taxpayers' resources on this foreign national? Not because deporting their national back to their home country would create "disorder and enemies" due to the harm that such "rattlesnakes" would do in its territory, since (1) that home country would likely welcome the discretion to decide how to deal with its national committing crimes in its territory, (2) it is not likely that the home country would protest that its national was not sufficiently punished by the legal system of another country unaccountable to it and outside its jurisdiction, and (3) in some circumstances the home country can still exercise extraterritorial jurisdiction over its national for the crime he committed overseas. The prosecutorial discretion of the deporting country should not be fettered by the home country.

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Post by nwienert »

xpe wrote: post #392
nwienert wrote: post #101

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I think the claim underneath the comment above is that immigration laws have been not been enforced or unevenly been enforced. On principle, advocating for a consistent application of the law seems sensible. This goes along with advocating for the rule of law. Let's talk about justice, too. Many people believe true justice transcends any particular instantiation of the law at any particular point in time. If so, advo…

It is in fact the Biden admin that played the game to win - importing tens of millions of people by opening the borders, loosening prosecution, flying them in, and basically doing anything and everything to allow it.

The American voters were never for this, always overwhelmingly against. It’s a non-partisan issue. Only big business and Democratic politicians benefit.

Then, when the new admin tries to remove illegal entrants, suddenly they care a lot about the law. Well, it was illegal for them to come, it’s legal to remove them. Due process only applies to citizens. There’s nothing more legal (and frankly popular with voters) than removing people who are here illegally. To import tens of millions without due process only to turn around and cry about needing it to remove them is the height of hypocrisy and also would be giving them de-facto citizenship, it would take years in court to process each one, where it takes only a couple days to cross the border.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

hayst4ck wrote: post #815
Jensson wrote: post #796

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Then don't fight these battles where they are in the right, fight them where they are in the wrong. Taking this fight here just gives all the advantage to Trump and his regime, fight them where it is easy to win.

Salami slicing is the first page of the present day authoritarian play book. Here's an excerpt from They Thought They Were Free , a book about the mindset of ordinary Germans experiencing the rise of the Nazi Government: Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes,…

You guys are basically on the path to be coming Russia.
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