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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by ruszki »

mythrwy wrote: post #639
iammjm wrote: post #325

"Free world" my ass. As a European, the US has always been my favorite country and I've been basically universally pro-US all my life. The Recent US decisions managed to turn it 180 degrees for me, in a matter of basically a couple of months. As I consider myself to be a more or less statistical normie, I assume theres many, many more people like me. So: fuck US & eat shit, go suck Putins dick while the EU & the rest…

Could be the development of this attitude is part of the point.

To make wars more probable? Shouldn’t be the focus on avoiding war? That won’t happen with less mutual reliance and more weapons.

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

nanotuber wrote: post #937
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #604

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Ukraine might not, at this point, because it may be too late for them under whatever heavy-handed peace deal gets imposed. It's all the other would-be Ukraines who are going to make nukes. Finland, Poland, South Korea, Taiwan... Better safe than sorry.

I'll buy you a beer if any of these regions have a nuke in 10 years.

Sounds good. See you in 2035!

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Post by adrian_b »

kelipso wrote: post #296
spiderfarmer wrote: post #269

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They just want the US to keep their word on promises already made. Is that so unreasonable? They gave up their nukes for it.

The nukes were never under Ukraine control or possession. It's like saying Turkey has nukes, they don't, they are US nukes.

Unlike with Turkey, Ukraine could have easily taken complete possession of the nukes existing on its territory and they had enough resources to also take complete control, by replacing the control parts of the nukes, perhaps in at most a few months of work.

The only way in which the Russians could have stopped this would have been to nuke Ukraine before they would have been able to modify the captured nukes, but it is unlikely that this would have been permitted by the other nuclear powers.

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Post by ponector »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #918
ponector wrote: post #821

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>West has no means to put more pressure on Russia This is simply false. West can send more arms, more tanks (US sent 31 old Abrams tanks since 2022) more long range missiles. You know how easy it is to defend Ukrainian cities against airborne cruise missiles? Bomb few airbases used by strategic bombers. Bomb few factories used for ballistic missiles production. If west bite putin's bluff about WWIII then west can tra…

You don't poke the hornets nest. Soon you would see fullscale mobilisation in Russia and you have essentially ww3.

It is a bluff putin is continuously repeating. Because he knows western countries are eager to bite.

Look: at this moment Ukraine is using western arms to occupy part of Russia. What putin did? Same as before occupation.

Strategic bombings of oil refineries - no changes in putin actions.

This is actually the only language Russians understand: strong actions to show power.

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Post by wtcactus »

skinnymuch wrote: post #678
wtcactus wrote: post #528

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> Should we just keep going back in history and try to cherry pick events to blame and justify current conflicts But, it is you that did just that. You picked up an event from the 1960's in a totally different continent, to justify Russian continued agressions against Ukraine. I answered by actually pointing out an event from 10 years ago that's directly related to this war.

Russia responded to a western coup on one of the 3 East Slavic nations (Russia Ukraine Belarus).

Oh. That's probably because we don't share the same definition of what is a "coup".

For me, it's clear that a "coup" is not when the democratic will of the people outs a puppet that was put in place by Moscow. While you have the opposite opinion.

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Post by matthewdgreen »

gedy wrote: post #643
KittenInABox wrote: post #637

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I guarantee you that Russia could've been reasoned with if it was forced to face Ukraine with the full might of US support for another 4 years. Maybe there would need to be some concessions so Putin can look like he came out with a win to the Russian media, but Putin wouldn't have kept going as he was.

> with the full might of US support Wasn't the time for that 3 years ago (or 11)? I'm not pro Russia, but a war of attrition has always seemed a bad play and half-assed. Especially when Europe is still buying gas from Russia...

As opposed to what alternative? A full-scale NATO invasion of Russia? Nuclear war?

The West has gone to great lengths to provide the absolute minimum response to Russia's invasion (no troops, even withholding certain weapons classes) and leaders have repeatedly expressed concerns about the danger of an outright Russian collapse. Weakening Russia's military without imploding the government has always been the obvious goal.

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Post by theshackleford »

arandomusername wrote: post #828
dlahoda wrote: post #825

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> Ukraine is kidnapping people on the streets to send them to the front lines. may you expand on this?

There are many videos on twitter if you'd like to see recorded examples. But basically, TCC is the recruitment office in Ukraine, and they will pull up in unmarked vans and grab and force them into a van. Here's an article about it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukrainian-... A decent video example (ignore the text): https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1896019613198270859 - there's many more. It's a…

> It's absolutely terrifying for Ukrainian men.

I'ts no less terrifying for Russian men when the goons show up to take you away I assure you.

Sadly my family in Russia has been impacted by this, not in being conscripted forcefully themselves, but needing to destroy their own livelyhoods so that it is not possible for them to facilitate the the sending of others to the front line.

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Post by narrator »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #502
narrator wrote: post #187

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We allied with Stalin in world war III, now that's evil. Putin will be a good ally against China, who is an actual threat to the United States.

Putin ally against China? He's the one who signed a "no limits" friendship deal with Xi Xinping. China and Russia are intimate trading partners and they have shared geopolitical interests. Why would he object if China wants to take over Taiwan or something?

Russia and Germany signed the non-aggression pact.
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