Reading all the comments here makes me sick. I really need to move to a remote place where people are not constantly bashing each other.
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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#942Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't even need control. They want control. Why? Either they're idiots who think they need control or they are tyrants who know they'll need control later on when they start doing seriously tyrannical things.
> Why? Either they're idiots who think they need control or they are tyrants Many politicians are individuals without any talent who desire power and control, politics is the only avenue open to people like that.
And many are sociopaths and psychopaths who love to wield power over others. Some of those sociopaths and psychopaths are very very smart.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#943Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…
> What concerns me more is that Apple is the only company audibly making a stand. But still Apple operates in China and Google does not. This is weird to me. Google left China when the government wanted all keys to the citizens data. Apple is making a stand when it's visible and does not threaten their business too much. Apple is not really in the business of protecting your data, they are just good at marketing and…
I want to buy my phone from a phone manufacturer.
I want to backup my data with a managed service.
I do NOT want these to be the same company.
The government, with anti trust laws, could easily force this issue. On the other hand, they really love how few places they have to go with FISA warrants to just take anyones data. This is the long tail of the American security state. So it's really ironic that China takes most of the blame.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#944Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please could you expand? I'm very confused by what's going on in the states, particular the attitude in the tech community, so any clarity would be appreciated!
Not particularly. The matter is no longer up for discussion. Silence and action are best.
(Unsafety and fear always motivate silence and action. You might expect certain people to understand that better than most.)
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#945What's stopping Apple from launching an AppleTV-esque device that functions as personal iCloud storage? The design of ADP is that even taking control of the data centre won't allow access to the information held within. Decentralising the service makes it significantly harder to write ham-fisted legislation that aims to prevent tech companies from offering secure products. Additionally there isn't a technical need fo…
> Apple
> freely release
If Apple can't get you to pay for it, it won't happen. They only pay as much lip service to privacy as they need for marketing purposes
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#946Why is there only one "iCloud" to backup your iPhone and store photos? Lots of ADP users would use a corporate or self-hosted solution instead.
because Apple privacy is just marketing, they just want you to pay for it, they don't really care if it's possible to do better for free / by others
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#947What the UK government achieved: Lowering the data protection of it's citizens in comparison to the rest of the world. I was under the impression governments were supposed to protect their citizens.
the government's monopoly on force just means they're thugs most people tolerate...
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#948I always thought that metadata and circumstantial evidence is enough to incriminate someone. Do you really need plaintext data and communication to put criminals behind bars?
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#949The cloud is just someone else’s computer. If you really, really care about privacy, self host.
That works for nerds like us. But my sister or my non tech friends don't have knowledge to self host. It is like asking a person to do a surgery on themselves when they don't have medical knowledge. E2E services are very crucial for such normal people. How long do you think for governments to make it illegal to self host or backdoor Linux builds? They have already went too far by just asking backdoor to data of every…
> How long do you think for governments to make it illegal to self host or backdoor Linux builds?
Probably never, it won't be worth the trouble because it's always going to be a fringe thing for the reasons you say :). One can hope anyways.
Also, if the government decides I'm a baddie, they can always just show probable cause to a judge and come physically get my hardware, so they have a more traditional path there to handle weirdos like me already :).
FWIW, I agree completely strong encryption in SAAS is necessary for privacy. But pragmatically, there's little hope laws like this won't eventually take root in more places. So the statement stands irregardless of the challenges: the cloud is just someone else's computer.
One final note: I don't think E2E means what most people think it means unfortunately - lots of companies imply that you're the only one with access to the encryption keys when E2E is on, but if you read the fine print, it often really just says is the data is encrypted in flight, not what the policy is for protecting the data on the other "end."
This is the awesome thing about ADP - they spell out the full policy in glorious detail.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#950Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What concerns me more is that Apple is the only company audibly making a stand. They are not making a stand. They roll over without a peep. And this is concerning users' privacy which they say is the core of the company. Compare it to fighting every government tooth and nail over every single little thing concerning the "we don't know if it's profitable and we don't keep meeting records" AppStore
"Not making a stand" would be leaving everything as is, and handing your encryption keys over to the government. By loudly disabling ADP and saying this feature is illegal in the UK (they really should have said "illegal" instead of "unavailable" so people would know it was the government), they are at least making half a stand. By leaving it enabled in other regions and for visitors from other regions to the UK, the…
> By loudly disabling ADP and saying this feature is illegal in the UK
They didn't say anything loudly, or said it was illegal in the UK.
All they had was a single comment to a single (or perhaps a handful at most) comment to a media outlet that they disabled it.
They didn't even bother with a press release, or notify their users.
It's not even half a stand. It's a rollover