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Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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chrisco255 wrote: post #665
cyberax wrote: post #585

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Their infotaiment uses a customized Debian distro. On a Model S you could easily get a shell into it, because they used a freaking SSH with a password-based authentication over Ethernet to connect from the instrument cluster to the computer in the central console. You could sniff the password with a man-in-the-middle attack, if you knew the host key of the instrument cluster. Here's one from my previous Model S: http…

This is a gist created 1 hour ago. No proof of the attack vector. What's the point of posting a private key? Also, so what if they used Debian? Linux is used on everything. Debian has multiple licenses, it also has BSD3 and others to choose from: https://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/

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Post by sangnoir »

staticautomatic wrote: post #707
scarface_74 wrote: post #575

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You act as if Trump will obey a court order.

I’m not acting as if anything. I’m simply pointing out that there are also rules for mootness.

The current doctrine is those - and any other - rules don't apply to the president in his official capacity. SCOTUS declared that it's legal when the president does it.

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

paulddraper wrote: post #744
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #728

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We need an income and a wealth cap.

Such an idea runs counter to the principles of individual liberty.

There should be limits on individual liberty. We don’t let every American have a nuclear bomb in their basement.

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Post by machomaster »

stephenhuey wrote: post #189
machomaster wrote: post #162

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Yes we would.

Keep in mind that while the store brings in a majority of revenue, it provides less than 20% of operating income. A majority of operating income comes from AWS (which provides less than 20% of revenue). https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/01/10/amazon-e-commerce-...

Forget about AWS and simply compare Amazon with other offline/online/mixed stores.

"In 2023, Amazon accounted for 37.6% of all e-commerce sales in America, which was light-years ahead of second-place Walmart at 6.3%."

Amazon is highly successful even without AWS.

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Post by chrisco255 »

croes wrote: post #764
chrisco255 wrote: post #685

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Nobody is doing anything for altruistic reasons, including and especially Sam Altman.

Yeah sure, in the pandemic all people just did it for the money. Same with all the voluntary fire fighters and all the other voluntary work.

A lot of people did a lot of things for a lot of money during the pandemic. Even voluntary fire fighters do it for status, fun, companionship, extra money, experience, etc. Doesn't mean that volunteers aren't valued or important. It's important to note that there's limits to people's charity even among the most charitable. Those limits are driven by perceived costs outweighing the perceived benefits to the individual.

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Post by bjackman »

Redoubts wrote: post #676
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This includes the actually interesting bit: > One of the thorniest questions in the conversion has been how the nonprofit will be valued. Musk’s bid sets a high bar and may mean that he, or whoever runs the nonprofit, would end up with a large and possibly controlling stake in the new OpenAI. So this is a play to mess with the restructuring? Why aren't the news stories exploring this angle? It's very annoying that th…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

This isn't that, I'm not at all knowledgeable about this topic, it's just the basic level of curiosity you'd expect from an educated layman!

2 brain cells: "one hundy billy is a lotta dollars"

3rd brain cell: "Elon obviously doesn't actually expect this sale to happen, something more interesting is going on here, what is it?"

Journalist: "iunno just paste the quote and hit publish"

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Post by quantified »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #936
quantified wrote: post #900

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What "check" or "balance" do we have for someone not even in government? He is now but he wasn't before the inauguration. Feel free to propose the check or balance if it doesn't already exist.

You're right, this is a very difficult question to answer, and I don't have a clear answer for myself either. My intuition here is that ANY private citizen acting without authority derived from a due process, or the necessary clearance, is breaking the law and needs to be arrested. Full stop. It bewilders me that Musk wasn't apprehended before he was given special permission to do what he was doing. This was blatant…

Everybody is quietly at home expecting someone else to do something. Bread is available, and we hold the circus in our hand now.

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Post by margalabargala »

01jonny01 wrote: post #798
margalabargala wrote: post #288

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We'll see. After throwing out a few Nazi salutes, Tesla sales have been tanking in Europe.

Oh come on stop perpetuating misinformation. Unless Musk is going to Nazi rallies and jew hating I can't take anyone who believes this seriously.

Misinformation? There are multiple videos of Elon doing a Nazi salute.

The goalpost does not need to be moved to "if he's not literally operating a gas chamber, he's fine".

The best interpretation is that he doesn't care how it looks to others when he does a Nazi salute. Like others said, he's more 90s edgelord than actual jew-hating Nazi.

And the car markets in Europe are showing him what they think of people who do Nazi salutes publicly.

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Post by jebarker »

WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #915
jebarker wrote: post #881

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So it's not really LLMs you want to see fail, it's the businesses people are building around them. I can sympathize with that for sure but to me it seems obvious that there's many potentially beneficial applications of the technology that don't involve taking jobs.

Right, though I don't see much distinction given that the cost of training the models is so high. The existence of the technology is equivalent to the existence of these businesses, is it not? Suppose the technology advances no further than it is today, and I'll even grant up to an order of magnitude improvement. I'm not interested in speculating over so-called AGI though. What would you point to as an overwhelmingly…

AlphaFold 2. It's not an LLM but it's not that different technologically. EDIT: that last sentence is actually a bit unfair to AlphaFold 2 as I consider it to be much more impressive technology than LLMs, but it comes from a common lineage.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

quantified wrote: post #947
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #936

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You're right, this is a very difficult question to answer, and I don't have a clear answer for myself either. My intuition here is that ANY private citizen acting without authority derived from a due process, or the necessary clearance, is breaking the law and needs to be arrested. Full stop. It bewilders me that Musk wasn't apprehended before he was given special permission to do what he was doing. This was blatant…

Everybody is quietly at home expecting someone else to do something. Bread is available, and we hold the circus in our hand now.

As a Canadian, this terrifies me. I take the US administration’s threats very seriously.
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