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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Yes, I've seen a number of people with criminal records hired. I don't really want to present my comment as an argument against every point Krebs made. I don't really have an opinion on whether the individual mentioned is a suitable hire. But in infosec a lot of people probably got into it because 'hacking' is cool and glorified by the media. It's rebellious and appeals to a lot of teens I think. I don't think it's a…

> Some of them just made stupid mistakes when they were younger and sometimes dumb kids get way overcharged for cyber crimes. For the most part I think it's fine for kids to go through a phase where they think it's cool but they don't really know what they are doing. I think a lot of the concern is that these kids aren't out of that phase yet.

Agreed. There was a lot of stuff I thought was cool when I was 20 which I shudder to think about now, 20 years on. It took me a long time to grow up past those phases of my life.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#942

The HN response to all this has actually been very strange to me. From my perspective, this presidency, and especially Musk working on DOGE, should be one of the most exciting, positive things discussed on here! I would've thought this crowd would've loved lower taxes (more money to build things!), less regulation (less restrictions to build things!), and an unfamiliar friendliness towards the tech industry (more peo…

> The HN response to all this has actually been very strange to me.

Are you surprised that folks are generally dismayed that disruption-for-its-own-sake, particularly for governmental institutions that were never intended to either (a) run a profit, and (b) were generally intended for the public good, is seen more as chaos-mongering rather than a "good thing"?

Real lives are being impacted drastically, and overwhelmingly negatively, by this cult of optimization.

So, no, not surprising that, when the rubber meets the pavement, and real people lose their jobs, their education, their savings, their future... that perhaps, maybe the cult-of-optimization isn't all it's cracked up to be?

No?

I guess I just need more kool-aid, bottoms up.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#943

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Com is just a general term for crime communities on the Internet. Its not a specific group. The Com includes groups that commit crimes stretching from cybercrime to literally the worst crimes you can think of and the vast majority of this is done on Discord and Telegram. You can go down a really dark rabbit hole if you really dig deep into some of these groups within The Com. This is where the worst of the worst…

"The Com" is like "Anonymous" or "the scene", like talking about the "new york heavy metal scene". it's not one coherent group but a mix of them, sometimes overlapping but often not. they hangout in the same spaces, sometimes, but also not.

That's how it was (is) on IRC 25+ years ago. The Com sounds like the equivalent of idling on #2600 general.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#944

The HN response to all this has actually been very strange to me. From my perspective, this presidency, and especially Musk working on DOGE, should be one of the most exciting, positive things discussed on here! I would've thought this crowd would've loved lower taxes (more money to build things!), less regulation (less restrictions to build things!), and an unfamiliar friendliness towards the tech industry (more peo…

> (more money to build things!),

Just avoid imported steel, aluminium, or ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Trump_tariffs

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#945

When Elon stripped the Twitter organisation down to its fundamental parts, saved tons of money and the service is still ran like usual, people said the he’s a moron and the service couldn’t possibly run without a bloated and inefficient workforce. They were wrong. Now that Elon is applying the same philosophy to all of his companies and now the federal government, people are once again saying he doesn’t know what he’…

There's this thing autistic people do where they try to reduce everything down to very simple systems that they can wrap their heads around. Sometimes this can be very powerful, but it oftentimes is an incorrect model of reality. Looking at the United States like a company is exactly this, and it's deeply misguided.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#946

The HN response to all this has actually been very strange to me. From my perspective, this presidency, and especially Musk working on DOGE, should be one of the most exciting, positive things discussed on here! I would've thought this crowd would've loved lower taxes (more money to build things!), less regulation (less restrictions to build things!), and an unfamiliar friendliness towards the tech industry (more peo…

Speaking as a European entrepreneur, the current administration’s dismantling of the government has made things extremely unstable and made certain I do not choose the US for where to do business in the coming months/years.

A Delaware c corp was on the table for our latest incorporation. Instead, it’ll be in Paris.

You’ve given free rein to some people to do wildly unstable shit and remove basically all accountability.

What’s happening right now is a bit like giving a young cto/ceo full root access to all of Google and he starts fucking around everywhere, promising to shut down all the unprofitable parts, he starts refactoring everything solo and rushing everything into production while removing all protections from everything else.

Sure, it’ll run leaner. It’ll make things cheaper as well. I’m also gonna not store my data on Google anymore and I’ll migrate out.

This is basically what happened to Twitter and now everybody’s left except the nazis. What exactly do you think that same strategy will do to the US?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#947

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that intelligence agencies like to recruit young people active in the cyber criminal scene Just linking this back to the story, am I mistaken in saying that DOGE is not an intelligence agency? (It certainly is a great position to exfiltrate information however.)

DOGE is a renamed Obama-era agency called the US Digital Service. This group basically tackles IT needs for different departments, which is how Elon is able to weasel his way into any department he decides to target.

First time I've seen this, and very interesting. I was aware of the USDS but not the DOGE connection. Presumably all the former employees were fired as the alien took over the host?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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post #942

The HN response to all this has actually been very strange to me. From my perspective, this presidency, and especially Musk working on DOGE, should be one of the most exciting, positive things discussed on here! I would've thought this crowd would've loved lower taxes (more money to build things!), less regulation (less restrictions to build things!), and an unfamiliar friendliness towards the tech industry (more peo…

> The HN response to all this has actually been very strange to me. Are you surprised that folks are generally dismayed that disruption-for-its-own-sake, particularly for governmental institutions that were never intended to either (a) run a profit, and (b) were generally intended for the public good, is seen more as chaos-mongering rather than a "good thing"? Real lives are being impacted drastically, and overwhelmi…

Whose lives are being impacted drastically? How do you know?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#949

When Elon stripped the Twitter organisation down to its fundamental parts, saved tons of money and the service is still ran like usual, people said the he’s a moron and the service couldn’t possibly run without a bloated and inefficient workforce. They were wrong. Now that Elon is applying the same philosophy to all of his companies and now the federal government, people are once again saying he doesn’t know what he’…

Just want to point out that Twitter is not running anything like it used to. It’s handling orders of magnitude less load because they have broken all publicly embedded tweets, blocked public searching of tweets, blocked public browsing of tweets, and cut off all API access except for a very few who are paying. Brand safety is also essentially turned off. This was a staff-intensive feature because brands can’t delete…

Ok, but how do you balance that with the fact that Twitter did $1.3B in profit in 2024, double the highest adjusted EBITDA of Twitter which was $682 million in 2021? You're talking about a bunch of metrics that are not the one metric that matters in business.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#950

Can anyone recommend a journalist who is reporting the facts of what’s happening on this subject? From what I can tell, it’s widely been reported that - Elon Musk was allowed into the Department of Education - “Big Balls” accessed Treasury computers - etc… But I have not been able to find any first person testimony that confirms those statements. From what I can tell Tom Krause is actually the one who was given acces…

The two confirmed people are Krause and Elez. Elez briefly resigned after his extremely racist tweets surfaced but is back at DOGE now. Krause has only been a treasury employee for 7 business hours as of now but has been on the task for much longer than that.

That many in DOGE had access and that two would continue to have it is not in question: https://thehill.com/business/5130107-treasury-department-lim...

The legality is also clearly in question: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08/politics/elon-musk-doge-treas...

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