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Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Well, I know the one person will die if I pull the lever. But I don’t have any reason to think that pulling it will save the other ten thousand. In fact, it probably won’t—it’s a big train that will find its way to that track eventually, and the only way people have been saved in other countries is legislation to move everybody off the tracks, but that’s too much work for me. What pulling the lever will do is make me…

I believe the OP was referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

That much was obvious. The trolley problem is so famous because it really is an ambiguous moral problem. The OP brought it up to imply murdering Brian Thompson was justified, in that now some other people will live who would otherwise die. This idea is a fantasy, however, which besides having no evidence to back it, doesn’t even make sense once examined with a modicum of criticality. Once the remnants of the dream of vigilantism are brushed away, this wannabe trolley problem becomes plain: it’s nothing but an unjustifiable murder by a mentally disturbed egotist who thinks he has the right to play executioner.

This is real life, not a Punisher comic. Democracy ain’t easy, and as soon as a hurdle appears people itch to find an easy workaround, but there’s no way around doing the hard work of fixing the system.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Absolutely senseless murder by a deranged human. I feel incredibly bad for the family and friends of the CEO, especially with all of the BS from Reddit/TikTok.

Are you sensitized by the death of thousands of people due to automated coverage deny systems he put in place?

Replies like this prove that humans are incredibly morally malleable and that is disheartening. Murder is wrong, 100% of the time.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

He was also probably watching the news.

At some point you know you’ve already been caught.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Refusing to pay for medical care is hardly murder. It’s a standard monetary dispute, and we have a due process for these. If you think that so many claims are being unreasonably denied, why not start a company offering bridge loans, and funding legal challenges? Maybe the courts are too inefficient to handle these disputes, but that’s an argument for reforming the courts, not for shooting executives.

Agreed. The mess is deeper, but starting an insurance company is not easy either, one could blame the regulations. And then one cannot blame regulations either, it's the regulators/govt who are ultimately voted/allowed by the people. It's a case where every one passes the buck, and so no one single entity is responsible for the mess.

You're ignoring a litany of intentional efforts by powerful people to keep the system as broken as possible so that they can take advantage of it. Things didn't just get this bad on their own; this is the result of decades of strategizing, billions of dollars in lobbying, and intentional efforts to profit off of the sickness and death of others. It's not like there's a lack of responsibility to go around.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…

i think its because the accused dude is just as online as the average social media user who has latched on to this.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Educated people tend to overestimate their abilities outside their domain. We've all known someone with an "I can do anything" complex. Anyone can do anything... poorly. He likely deluded himself into believing he already outsmarted the cops so why even bother. Having two degrees doesn't make one a competent plumber, electrician, or in this case, criminal.

Looking at his tweets he looks like a perfect example of a smug “TPOT” postrationalist that identifies themselves as “gray tribe” and then mainlines figures like Bret and Eric Weinstein and has retrograde views. Thinking he’s smarter than the rest of us is most likely a big part of his identity.

This reads like word salad

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Why not use the original title ("Luigi Mangione: What we know about CEO shooting suspect")? Why the need for sensationalism over his status as a software engineer?

https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/9/24317259/unitedhealthcare...

Perhaps should have submitted this article instead.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…

It’s funny how we treat these things. Kill a bunch of people by putting lead in their drinking water and it’s a shrug. Occasionally you might lose your job over it. In extremely rare and egregious cases you might end up with a minor criminal conviction. Kill one person by putting lead in their heart at high speed and now it’s a serious crime. If the victim is Important then you get a massive manhunt and national news…

Accidentally kill someone with your car because you're distracted, no problem. But if you're drunk? Crime.
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