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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by changing1999 »

joshstrange wrote: post #870
changing1999 wrote: post #589

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AI mentioned above is not at the level of capturing and expressing ideas or emotions beyond "a sad rock song about a breakup". Try guiding it to express any clearly formed musical idea. Author's attachment is to a large degree based on the false notion that they somehow contributed to the creation process. The generic, frigid, un-interesting "product" that is produced by said AI is why no one other than the prompter…

That’s just not true. I’ve used Suno to generate songs where I have provided all the lyrics. Those lyrics came from a combo of LLMs and my steering/direct edits and then I ran the lyrics through Suno multiple times until I got something I wanted. I can agree that: > "a sad rock song about a breakup" Is probably not going to capture or express your ideas or emotions because you haven’t given it enough. In contrast, wr…

Providing lyrics is called "writing lyrics". If you think that pasting lyrics into a prompt makes you somehow more involved in the process of writing music I don't know what to say.

> can absolutely produce something that captures and expresses your ideas and emotions

The right analogy here is to imagine an infinite museum where you can wander until you find a piece that expresses your emotions. It has nothing to do with the act of your expression, and everything to do with you resonating with a piece produced by someone/something else.

> At the end of the day I don’t make music for the masses

Fair. But you also don't "make music" for yourself. At most you write lyrics.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by rudasn »

Aeolun wrote: post #882

Why are there so many websites that are essentially static HTML that make my phone stutter? The video’s look cool, but I can’t really enjoy reading about them if my phone freezes every 2 seconds.

It's actually quite usable and fast if you turn javascript off.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by elwell »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #550
elwell wrote: post #465

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> IMPOSSIBLE to build an AI detector that works longterm return Math.random() This should increase in accuracy over time.

It turns out that "return 'AI'" is a better strategy when the probability is above 50%: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/msJA6B9ZjiiZxT6EZ/lawful-unc...

Good point. Here's a patch:

    Math.random = () => 1;

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by littlestymaar »

xoac wrote: post #930
williamcotton wrote: post #891

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Sure, the cost of making Clerks has dropped, but not the cost of making Dune.

You aren’t going to be making dune with this. Maybe a “we have dune at home version”…

If the results aren't cherry-picked it looks like more than good enough to make any high budget movie from the early 2010s if not Dune.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by danielbln »

solardev wrote: post #909
heurist wrote: post #273

I've been saying for years that generated content is an impending tsunami that's going to drown out all real human voices online. The internet may become effectively unusable as a result for anything other than entertainment.

Maybe that's a good thing. The internet never reached its potential as being the connective fabric of humanity. Mostly it's just marketing and spam. If the internet died and we all went back to smaller communities, that really wouldn't be the worst thing IMO. We're not really evolved for global communications at scale anyway.

We're not evolved for most things in modern life, that's not really much of an argument.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mikae1 »

bboygravity wrote: post #875
M4v3R wrote: post #58

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It will be a loong time before AI can produce lead actors that are believable, act exactly the way you as a director want and tell the story you want to tell, so I think at least for now you'll still need the actors for the lead roles. But I can totally this being used for generating people/stuff in the background of certain shots in a low budget movie.

"long time" in LLM land = 2 years tops

Seems you drank way too much of the Altman cool aid. :-D

How has LLMs actually developed in the last two years?

Have you noticed movies and TV series use multiple cameras to capture a scene from different angles?

When it comes to video these things can't get consistency between angles or scenes.

Add to that that the results are full of glitches and the resolution is equivalent to a CRT screen in the year 2000. Same resolution as s

Fixing these limitations would equate to a revolution rather than a steady evolution.

And let's not forget that these systems are also hugely unprofitable at this stage.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by i-LINK »

XorNot wrote: post #914
fragmede wrote: post #867

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And without being forced to interact with other people. The movie made by one creative and 100 automatons does not ai all compare to the one where there are multiple brilliant creatives butting heads and personalities and choosing never to work with each other again but the show must go on. How many movie lines have been adlibbed but are absolute classics? Sonofabitch, he stole my line!

What a bizarre statement in an age when the phrase "executive meddling" can describe the sameness of so much content output, and most of the greatest flops have a story which goes "yeah there were too many people involved". Like the second Avengers movie had this problem in spades.

It's not a bizarre statement at all. An executive meddling with something because X or Y element of a piece of art doesn't align with A or B market trend is not the same thing as people working together and sometimes clashing due to creative differences. You'll find that most works that you, or other people, like weren't the result of a sole individual's creative decisions going completely unchallenged. Others suggested, or revised, or fought. There can be too many cooks in the kitchen, of course, but that's an entirely different issue from executive meddling.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by solardev »

danielbln wrote: post #945
solardev wrote: post #909

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Maybe that's a good thing. The internet never reached its potential as being the connective fabric of humanity. Mostly it's just marketing and spam. If the internet died and we all went back to smaller communities, that really wouldn't be the worst thing IMO. We're not really evolved for global communications at scale anyway.

We're not evolved for most things in modern life, that's not really much of an argument.

Shrug. Maybe it's an argument to de-modernize more things in order to bring daily life back to the environments we're healthier and happier in.

Edit: In particular, I'm not convinced the internet was a net positive. Running water and sewage systems, sure. But what has 24/7 smartphone access actually done for our societies? Most people today don't seem any better off than they were in the 80s and 90s, and in many ways that actually matter, they seem worse off. Sure, they have access to way more information than our predecessors ever did... but it's not like we built a better world off it. Mostly the internet has accelerated the concentration of wealth towards the top, increased anxiety across the world, and significantly contributed to the global downfall of representative democracies, to name a few. Sometimes modernity can just be a collection of pathologies with a few beneficial side effects.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by scudsworth »

scudsworth wrote: post #585
jcims wrote: post #103

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. I've never made music the old fashioned way so I'm guessing the same could be true for that as well, but there are songs I've made on Udio that I personally think are amazing but nobody else really responds to. Conversely I can see similar levels of pride and attachment…

link a song you prompted that you personally think is amazing

https://www.udio.com/creators/jcims

yeah its not surprising that you wouldn't volunteer this, man

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