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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by superposeur »

dimal wrote: post #479
gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

> probably Harris is the simplest answer And probably the wrong answer. I don’t see her winning over swing voters. Gretchen Whitmer seems like the best option to me. I’d enjoy watching her debate Trump.

Whitmer far and away best. But she’s had every opportunity to throw her hat in the ring and unfortunately the window for doing so is all but closed by now. She seems genuinely not to want it / lacks the courage to proactively make it happen.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by ActorNightly »

christianqchung wrote: post #698
ActorNightly wrote: post #435

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Its really simple though. Do you want a dictator with near unlimited legal immunity in charge of the country? Thats what the November vote is for. Everything else is secondary.

What? Presidents from now until forever have that near unlimited legal immunity, regardless of party. That's what the Supreme Court ruled. That question doesn't even make sense to a Democrat supporter, it's not that simple, because that's the same no matter who wins. And I want the non-Trump candidate to win, but the party has sabotaged their chances in a manner as to appear deliberate.

Democrats have shown plenty of steps to rectify the supreme court ruling. If he have both executive and both houses control under Democratic rule, its very likely that they can clean out the Trump cronies from the Supreme Court.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by garaetjjte »

throw4847285 wrote: post #897
standardUser wrote: post #644

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Political jobs require few if any fine motor skills. Why, we once even had a paraplegic president during wartime!

Ironically, FDR pulled a Biden but succeeded. By early 1944 he was already dying of cancer and hid it, as he hid his disability. He made it through the election, and then died a few months after his inauguration leaving Truman in charge. Of course, FDR was more popular than Biden, but I do believe it was his closest election.

Probably easier to pull that off in era before televised debates.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by TheKarateKid »

tomohawk wrote: post #620
BurningFrog wrote: post #540

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It's considered to be up to the voters to pick the best candidate.

The Democrat party cancelled primaries in a few states to prevent anyone from running against Biden. The party picked this guy. https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/03/20/chair-nikki-fried-defe... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bidens-democratic-challenger... https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/12/08/dean-ph...

Very ironic coming from the same party that claims they need to "protect democracy". They aren't even allowing "open and fair" elections in their own candidate selection process, yet we're supposed to believe they will do that on a national level?

As Maya Angelou once said, when people show you who they are -- believe them.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by majani »

rswail wrote: post #919

In his final 6 months, set up a plan for a Constitutional amendment that puts an upper age limit of 75 at the start of a term of office for Members of Congress, Senators, POTUS, VPOTUS, Executive appointments requiring Senate consent, Judges, with compulsory retirement at 75 for lifetime appointments.

Clearly there is a preferred age group amongst the electorate, so the open market solved this problem

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by lazyeye »

duped wrote: post #913
PopePompus wrote: post #561

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Politicians who refuse to retire is a huge, bipartisan problem in the US affecting both genders. Putting an age limit on the president or members of congress would probably have to be done via a constitutional amendment, because the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that states cannot add eligibility requirements that are not in the constitution. One reform that would help in Congress would be to modify the seniori…

We have a built-in filter for this already, which are the primary and general elections. The problem is not politicians refusing to retire, but voters refusing to vote them out. The Democrat/Republican party system is what gives incumbents such a lead over challengers. I don't think term limits are the fix, I think we need to change how campaigns are financed - because right now, the parties pick who gets money in do…

"The problem is not politicians refusing to retire, but voters refusing to vote them out..."

Or is it the media running cover for the regime and gaslighting the public on the presidents fading mental capacity?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

duped wrote: post #913
PopePompus wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politicians who refuse to retire is a huge, bipartisan problem in the US affecting both genders. Putting an age limit on the president or members of congress would probably have to be done via a constitutional amendment, because the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that states cannot add eligibility requirements that are not in the constitution. One reform that would help in Congress would be to modify the seniori…

We have a built-in filter for this already, which are the primary and general elections. The problem is not politicians refusing to retire, but voters refusing to vote them out. The Democrat/Republican party system is what gives incumbents such a lead over challengers. I don't think term limits are the fix, I think we need to change how campaigns are financed - because right now, the parties pick who gets money in do…

>voters refusing to vote them out.

US states are rapidly banning ranked-choice voting †, in efforts to prevent loss of their two-party systems. Campaign finance reform is definitely necessary, but so is the fundamental nature of how citizens choose representation.

†: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting

Just one example would be Tennessee, which recently banned the practice after a Memphis suburb attempted to implement the practice.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by gumby »

maxerickson wrote: post #84
gumby wrote: post #24

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Then the senate would refuse to approve a VP replacement. Remember that leading up to counting the electoral votes loose-lipped GOP senators were saying that Pence (the VP) wouldn’t be counting the days electoral votes? How do you think that would proceed?

The problem is that the Republican controlled house would have to confirm the appointed VP. The senate might take a minute, but it would likely get it done.

Yeah, I meant the house: it would be much in the majority's interest* to leave the position vacant through the election.

* I mean the way they seem to operate these days, where keeping the system running properly isn't considered important, and to a hardcore group is considered something to firmly oppose.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mulmen »

defrost wrote: post #800
xp84 wrote: post #795

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Like a lot of things never codified into law or the constitution — 250 years ago it seemed obvious that the voters wouldn’t do things that seem utterly insane, and that surely nobody who’s very openly, shamelessly corrupt would be elected and still maintain that support even when exposed. So here we are. So the Framers figured nobody on the cusp of senility would run, and if he did, he wouldn’t get the votes. Because…

> it seemed obvious that the voters wouldn’t do things that seem utterly insane, and that surely nobody who’s very openly, shamelessly corrupt would be elected Credit where credit is due, it actually seemed obvious to Benjamin Franklin that such a thing was inevitable .. hence the need for close attention to the machinery of government and regularly updating the constitution. See: I think a General Government necessa…

Or it means that despotism is a threat. I don’t see the inevitability.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by tombert »

Rapzid wrote: post #841
tombert wrote: post #278

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There was never any risk of me voting for Trump, but when I watched the debate it became abundantly clear that Biden could not win an election. He came off as an extremely frail old man and I had my doubts that he would survive the entire debate , let alone another four years in office. I'm a pretty left-leaning person and I find Trump to be an overwhelmingly unappealing idiot in general, but even I had to admit that…

It's an interesting case study in that people's perception of "who won" determines "who won". However, if you change the criteria to "who had the most favorable impact on undecided voters" then apparently he lost? The news was Trump lost undecided voters from that debate.. So Trump won because everyone thinks he won(including me haha). But what did he win?

I don't have polling data so this is just "personal vibes", but I get the impression that left-leaning people like me thought that the last debate was going to be more or less like the 2020 debates, where Trump ends up looking like a blabbering idiot and Biden comes off as reasonably snappy and charming, and that the election might be another shoe-in for Biden.

I think the statement of "Trump won the debate" largely boils down to the fact that nearly every left leaning person who watched it turned it off feeling like "holy fuck looks like we're getting another four years of Trump".

Having watched it, it's not like Trump got "better" in any regard, he's still a blabbering idiot (maybe even more than in 2020), but he didn't "disappoint" me like Biden did this last time.

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