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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by chmod775 »

Yawrehto wrote: post #893
chmod775 wrote: post #153

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> A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges They should've learned from the French making sure there's nobody left to hold a grudge.

...are you seriously arguing for genocide?

Whenever you have to ask that question, it is often a better idea to sit down with a nice cup of tea, and take some time to reconsider what the person you are replying to was intending to do with their comment.

The comment pokes fun at people holding grudges for that long, on behalf of their ancestors, and at the whole situation in general. Ultimately is is meant to make people think whether demanding reparations from a less well-off people is really a better idea than just moving on. If everyone held grudges like that, no two people on earth would have good relations and we'd all sit in our little caves brooding over some slight our neighbor's ancestors inflicted on our family ten generations ago.

No, I'm not arguing for genocide. But thanks for the laugh.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by anonfordays »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #918
SaintSeiya wrote: post #911

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And BTW is not the 10% only, is around the 20%, close to 2 million cuban's has left in this last 2 years. Everyone is escaping that sinking ship. The government is fully militarized and even complaining about your kid's food can land you in jail for 10 years.

Do you have any advice for those with resources and desire to help Cubans leave?

Sadly, there are some problems that desire and money cannot fix.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by phyzix5761 »

ossobuco wrote: post #786
zdragnar wrote: post #40

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I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…

> we don't want to fund what their government is doing What is their government doing that is so terrible? Anyway let's suppose Cuba is a brutal dictatorship, even though it really isn't by any metric. Why are there no sanctions on Saudi Arabia? Why no sanctions on Taiwan during the white terror? Why no sanctions on Chile when they threw alive protesters from flying helicopters? I could go on for a while.

My whole family was murdered by the government of Cuba because they verbally disagreed with Fidel and communism. No crimes other than speaking out were committed. That's what they're doing that is so terrible.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by pixl97 »

fiachamp wrote: post #937
Aunche wrote: post #827

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The US has been the the only major country sanctioning Cuba for a decade and a half, but the economy has only gotten worse. Sanctions may explain why they has lagged behind in tech. It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise. https://www.wfpusa.org/countries/cuba/#:~:text=Cuba%20import... .

In Cuba, the only wealthy people are government bureaucrats. As always, communism becomes dictatorship and the people suffer most. Top down control of economy doesn't work. I went to numerous tobacco plantations in Cuba and they told me the government takes 90% of their harvest and they're allowed to keep and sell 10%. I stayed with an OBGyn who gets paid $80 USD/month. He built his house out of cinderblocks. That's…

Turns out authoritarians can ruin any kind of government.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by thiagoharry »

kgwgk wrote: post #863
thiagoharry wrote: post #856

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You know that this was a response for american missiles being placed on Turkey, right? By your comment, I assume that you also agree with Russia, when they criticize NATO expansion around their borders, right?

By your comment, I assume that you don't see a difference between "not having a commercial relationship with a country" and "invading and annexing a country".

Cuba was being invaded at that time (Bay of Pigs Invasion, later there was also discussion about a false flag attack to kill people, blame Cuba and then justify an invasion). From the point of view of Cuba, the Russian missiles were a way to ensure that other invasions would not happen again. If the missile crises were not solved, then the conflict would escalate to a war, but fortunately, it did not happen.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Tao3300 »

agumonkey wrote: post #771
noduerme wrote: post #486

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Everywhere in Europe that welcomed Jews, their neighbors attacked them whenever the Plague came around, blaming them for poisoning wells. To be blunt, if that hadn't happened, the Jews would have probably disappeared into the general European population by the 15th Century. So you are supporting the point that village rumors led to a situation of permanent exclusion for Gypsies.

Sorry but I don't even need rumors about gypsies, as a kid some were schooled during months of winter, and they were .. surprisingly creative when it comes to harming you (and I'm being polite here). I know gypsy culture is also bringing beautiful music, and some are hard working people touring the country during the summer, but really you don't need to go far to have evidence of issues still existing to this day.

That's what we call racism. Even if the anecdotes are from your own experience, you're still drawing broad ethnic conclusions from them.

What do we call anonymous stories, lacking in detail, being circulated in a public forum? Yes, those are rumors.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by selimthegrim »

Yawrehto wrote: post #892
wordsinaline wrote: post #69

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I would still hold a grudge. I hold historical grudges going back centuries.

Sometimes I want to but it's hard when every European country has tried to kill you. (Maybe there's one that was good to Jews, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't, for the simple reason that all the Jews would go there then, and the countries all the Jews went to, Spain and then Poland, then tried to kill us.) I don't want to have a grudge against a continent.

Albania? Bulgaria?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by pembrook »

pyuser583 wrote: post #894
pembrook wrote: post #852

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What's happening in Cuba has no resemblance to what happens in Southern Europe. In Southern Europe, talent leaves for better job opportunities and higher salary. In Cuba, people are literally fleeing to achieve basic human rights and 21st century quality of life. I'm not sure if you've been to Cuba before, but having visited in the late 2010s, it's a caricature of life in a communist dictatorship. Internet wasn't all…

I’ve known some very recent Cuban immigrants. They have a lot in common with economic migrants. Plenty of folks get started working for the state industry or university. Then they hop on a plane to America via Canada and claim citizenship. I’m confident there are still traditional political refugees, but they coexist with “company men” wanting more pay.

I mean, sure, you can rephrase "fleeing a communist dictatorship" as "company men wanting more pay." But it dramatically understates the issue.

Moving from Madrid to Amsterdam to get a higher salary is not what we're talking about here. I don't think someone from Madrid would start weeping at the sight of a Dutch grocery store.

When Spain talks about brain drain, they're worried about 1-2% of their population leaving over decades. Not 10-20X than in a year.

Virtually all Cubans, regardless of educational attainment or employment status, would kill for a shot at life in a democratic, free-market country, be it Spain or the Netherlands. Hence why they're leaving.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

mahkeiro wrote: post #933
SaintSeiya wrote: post #911

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And BTW is not the 10% only, is around the 20%, close to 2 million cuban's has left in this last 2 years. Everyone is escaping that sinking ship. The government is fully militarized and even complaining about your kid's food can land you in jail for 10 years.

Given the low birth rate of cuba, it's going to create a havoc in the age pyramid. How can a country survive this kind of change?

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Entechan »

twixfel wrote: post #702
wwtrv wrote: post #635

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> And then, once again, Europe blames the groups it refuses to accept. Can you explain in what way did this manifest in Sweden for instance? Or have any data/evidence besides some semi-vague claims about antisemitism and some immutable characteristics of European societies (which are hardly monolithic to begin with). It's not that I even necessarily disagree with what you're saying but unfortunately your comment is 8…

I am a British immigrant in Germany and I can vouch for how impossible it is to integrate into these northern European societies, if the rest are anything like Germany. I tick all the boxes of what German boomers would want in a "Good Immigrant" (white, educated, from western Europe, speaks German, good job), but it doesn't help. I think overall Germans, deep down, don't really want us here. We are here to pay for th…

I was blamed of being "too white" in the australian outback by british descendants. And quote "should go back to your country" which I would have done anyway.
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