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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by _cenw »

xgl5k wrote: post #938
bimguy wrote: post #869

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You are not a big fan of the EU after this? They seem to care more about privacy and rights of the people within the majority of the countries that make up the EU then any other outside country that I could name. Then again, I'm not American so I can easily see the influence your country has on most other countries, so to say the "EU have enormous capacity for overreach at the expense of participating countries and t…

The EU is not exactly doing this exclusively for privacy. This is a geopolitical ploy to thwart America's dominance in Tech, as a cope for not being able to produce any homegrown rivals to America's tech giants.

Why do Americans always read backroom politics into everything.

How does the GDPR help EU tech companies? I hope you're not about to tell me it's a ploy to bundle up resources for compliance in US companies or it levels the ground for the EU to be able to compete somehow. It caused enough headaches for us too.

Sometimes a good thing is just a good thing. The US supposedly was a country that had laws made without sinister corporatism at work at one point too.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by Bud »

docmars wrote: post #847
endisneigh wrote: post #756

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I’m very curious how you have this position yet have a MacBook. Why not support a better company like framework?

To answer directly, I actually really love the Framework conceptually. What they're doing is immensely important for notebooks, and I'd love to see Apple follow suit one day (but I doubt that'll ever happen). I just can't stand Linux. I've tried several distros and after using macOS since 2009 and Windows since 1995, I just can't be bothered by all the things Linux distros lack, if muscle memory for the other two are…

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

bretpiatt wrote: post #928
chargingmarmot wrote: post #880

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Well, yeah, but isn't the EU also responsible for all the trash cookie-consent notifications I get from every website now? Overall, I'm happy they're actively involved. The hands-off attitude in the US is terrible.

Auto-deny and move on? https://www.ghostery.com/blog/how-to-block-cookies-on-most-b...

Disabling cookies will cause _more_ of the "cookie prompts" to appear, not less. Some pages these days even will prevent visiting them unless they can set a cookie...

Also, cookies are not the only method of tracking which is supposed to be disabled when you hit Deny.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by resource_waste »

LordKeren wrote: post #83
resource_waste wrote: post #47

Oh man Apple is finally getting a feature Android had for 10+ years! Maybe in like 20 years iphones will finally have the features a $100 android has and will be up to bare basic standards. I def look sideways at people who buy a used $300 iphone when you can get a safer, higher quality, more feature phone with more for $150. This is different from someone buying Nike Jordans because they are status insecure, because…

You shouldn’t let people’s decisions around phone purchases bother you

That is nice idealism. But if you own a company and make Apps, yes they affect you.

Sorry, reality isnt as pretty.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by tombert »

NoPicklez wrote: post #776
Terretta wrote: post #395

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Tell your mind it's an appliance/console.* Still baffled? Because nobody seems baffled they can't run arbitrary software on their Amazon Echo Show, AppleTV, Xbox, Playstation, or Switch. * If your mind is struggling with this, you might need a bicycle for the mind to help. ;-) But seriously, Apple's brand and value prop since original Mac has been to toasterize compute and make it friendly approachable and non-fiddly…

I do often think people forget that when the iPhone app store was released it was a game changer. The whole idea of a single place to download all apps and games was great for most people. It meant that everything was there, in the one place and managed through that one app. Now a decade has passed and we're asking for change. That's fine, but we can't forget that when the app store first came out there wasn't this h…

I mean, I don't know if I'd call it "hysteria", but people have been sideloading alternative app stores on the iPhone for about as long as the iPhone has been around haven't they? I remember when I first got an iPod Touch in 2009, the first thing I did was jailbreak it and install Cydia so I could get emulators working on there.

Now I have always been a pretty geeky person, so I'm not claiming that I'm the "norm", but I would argue that there's always been some demand for alternative app stores. There are plenty of apps that people want to install the Apple clutches their pearls at (e.g. nearly anything with adult content).

As I've said in other threads, it's not as horrible as Microsoft in the 90s, because it's not difficult to buy an Android phone, your life won't really be made worse by buying a decent Android phone, but I would still argue that Apple's actions are anti-competitive.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by willseth »

berkes wrote: post #931
willseth wrote: post #688

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The parent comment cited Web Distribution as evidence that Apple doesn't actually care about safety and security, when in fact Web Distribution is more secured than Marketplace distribution. > The goal was to get out of Apple's clutches when your customers have their devices Whose goal? Read the DMA. It is very explicit that it expects Apple to maintain security of devices and apps.

> Apple doesn't actually care about safety and security, when in fact Web Distribution is more secured than Marketplace distribution. That's a contradiction in logic there. If they cared for security, they would choose the more secured option. But they didn't? Either they then have provided worse security all along: web distribution could have offered more security than an app store? Or they could have provided even…

No, you're making assumptions about what "secured" means in this context and clearly have no understanding of how any of it actually works. None of what you wrote makes sense.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by endisneigh »

berkes wrote: post #934
endisneigh wrote: post #757

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There’s literally nothing stopping someone from distributing their app as a web app, and no PWA isn’t necessary for distribution.

> There’s literally nothing stopping There's literally apple stopping that. By limiting APIs, by removing the ability to treat them as other apps (home screen icons), by blocking apps that are hybrids etc.

You don’t need any of that to distribute a web app and thus make money.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

pg_1234 wrote: post #874
bimguy wrote: post #869

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You are not a big fan of the EU after this? They seem to care more about privacy and rights of the people within the majority of the countries that make up the EU then any other outside country that I could name. Then again, I'm not American so I can easily see the influence your country has on most other countries, so to say the "EU have enormous capacity for overreach at the expense of participating countries and t…

The EU should make a public service announcement. Something along the lines of: "We urge all EU citizens with Apple devices to have an alternate means of accessing critical internet services like banking, to protect themselves in the event we are forced to block all Apple services EU-wide for legal non-compliance." ... then watch AAPL stock drop below NVDA ... ... and Apple come crawling back, suitably obedient.

or more likely learn extremely quickly that their citizens prefer their iPhones to their politicians, there would be protests within the hour if they ever blocked iPhones.

Weird to me how common it has become in the last 5 years for people to gleefully cheer for tyranny and control.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by Moldoteck »

Terretta wrote: post #395
tombert wrote: post #384

It baffles the mind that having exactly one marketplace with rent-seeking level fees that neither users nor developers can opt out of doesn't violate some kind of antitrust law in the United States. Though it looks like the EU iPhone users are only in a marginally better position.

Tell your mind it's an appliance/console.* Still baffled? Because nobody seems baffled they can't run arbitrary software on their Amazon Echo Show, AppleTV, Xbox, Playstation, or Switch. * If your mind is struggling with this, you might need a bicycle for the mind to help. ;-) But seriously, Apple's brand and value prop since original Mac has been to toasterize compute and make it friendly approachable and non-fiddly…

imo other platforms should allow sideloading too, be that consoles or smart speakers, maybe in some future eu will push this too

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by k_roy »

docmars wrote: post #859
smoldesu wrote: post #805

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Apple is the only one acting entitled here. Why doesn't the App Store deserve competitors? Why should we accept Apple's fees and failures when they deliberately limit competition? They're acting like an anticompetitive wuss if you ask me. If Apple is the righteous one here (imagine that), they can pack up their bags and tell the whole EU to shove it. They can individually invite all 27 markets to kiss their ass and w…

Agreed, and well worded. Never in computing history has a walled garden like Apple's existed until the iPhone. Distributing and finding apps wasn't always simple, but then again, the need for a central browsing experience to find and download apps was never truly a thing before -- maybe outside of Steam for games. The key difference with Steam is that the same games have always been available on other distribution pl…

> . Never in computing history has a walled garden like Apple's existed until the iPhone.

wot...

How was playing that Super Mario Bros with on your Sega Master System back in the day? I don't remember Sega having the 10NES subsystem.

Ever heard of this little place in the early to mid 90s called AOL? Compuserve? Prodigy? Any cell phone company long before Apple's app store

And you act like anyone who has a Kindle or a Nook isn't in a walled garden, at least for 99% of the people who don't know/care that you can install books via Calibre or something.

And you know you can sideload apps on Apple devices right? Even before the EU ruling. It was just a massive pain in the ass and drumroll... 99% aren't going to do it.

This is not new, Apple wasn't the first to do it, and everybody railing again Apple loves to accept it in basically every other facet of their lives.

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