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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by willsmith72 »

hipadev23 wrote: post #936
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #935

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is inept at best and getting worse. Hard disagree. I've used Pixel phones for years and they're generally great phones. Biggest previous complaint was their software upgrade support window was too short, but now they offer 7 years of upgrades.

Pixel phones imo are like gaming on linux. Yes it’s passable, yes it’s getting better, but if you’re fooling yourself if you think it’s comparable to gaming on Windows.

Tbh as someone who's bounced between Nexus, iPhone and Pixel, I really don't think so

All ios users say the same as you the first time they use a pixel, but it's the same when an android user tries an iPhone. They're extremely different experiences, far more different than we expect (because on the surface they're both smartphones), and we mistake the differences for general shittiness.

Overall I probably prefer ios by a small margin, but people like what they're used to

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by mschuster91 »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #938
hipadev23 wrote: post #934

We need some competition in the mobile/tablet space. Apple hardware and performance is incredible. Google is inept at best and getting worse.

MS threw in the towel unfortunately. Now we are stuck with Apple and trash. People desperately cling onto this false ideology that Android is good and Apple is bad when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better with their excuses that “I need thousands is fart apps or I can’t use windows phone”

> when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better

Hell no it wasn't. The UI/UX was a complete unmitigated disaster, the choice of device models was ... very limited, and barely anyone made apps for it, much less games, with Microsoft not doing nearly enough to woo developers over.

Apple and Android, in contrast, had a decent UI/UX, healthy app stores, and Android a wide ranging hardware selection from "too bad to put it in a bargain bin" to "holy smokes people actually spend that much money on a phone that's not Apple?".

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by rdtsc »

> "Apple is retaliating against Epic for speaking out against Apple’s unfair and illegal practices, just as they’ve done to other developers time and time again," Epic said in its statement today.

The retaliation is shady, but is the retaliation illegal? Even if a whistleblower would show an Apple internal conversation that looks like "Let's retaliate against Epic", the fine print everyone probably has some "we can terminate the account for any reason" clause, which would include retaliation as well?

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by randmeerkat »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #938
hipadev23 wrote: post #934

We need some competition in the mobile/tablet space. Apple hardware and performance is incredible. Google is inept at best and getting worse.

MS threw in the towel unfortunately. Now we are stuck with Apple and trash. People desperately cling onto this false ideology that Android is good and Apple is bad when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better with their excuses that “I need thousands is fart apps or I can’t use windows phone”

> MS threw in the towel unfortunately.

I’m surprised Microsoft isn’t making a second go for a phone actually. With all of their WSL work, they could release a Linux / Windows phone and say this is like the original PC, but also a phone, install what you want on it, and also it integrates seamlessly with Azure for power users that want to program on their phone, and also integrates with AD for Microsoft enterprises focused on securing their corporate devices, not to mention the Office Apps and so on. They could even partner with Valve and release the Steam store on their phone, it could be similar to the Steam Deck, but a phone also… Not to mention the possible integrations with ChatGPT as a voice assistant and all of the benefits that come with that.

TLDR; the phone market is ripe to be disrupted and Microsoft is the best positioned to do so.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

hipadev23 wrote: post #936
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #935

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is inept at best and getting worse. Hard disagree. I've used Pixel phones for years and they're generally great phones. Biggest previous complaint was their software upgrade support window was too short, but now they offer 7 years of upgrades.

Pixel phones imo are like gaming on linux. Yes it’s passable, yes it’s getting better, but if you’re fooling yourself if you think it’s comparable to gaming on Windows.

Useless analogies are just useless analogies. Care to explain, with specifics, why you feel that way?

The Pixel has a fantastic camera (e.g. https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/google-pixel-7-vs-apple...), and it's "smart calling features" (e.g. better handling of spam calls, transcripts for call menus, "hold for me", etc.) are hugely important features for me.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by havkom »

I think Apple holds developers and third parties to “click through” agreements, so I hope Epic does the same towards Apple (it there has been any breach).

Feels like it is a weak legal argument (even though some jurisdictions may have special “ticket cases” doctrines).

It is not Epics concern if Apple by mistake would enter into a contract with them or not. It is up to Apple to whom they offer such agreements and how.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by warkdarrior »

rdtsc wrote: post #943

> "Apple is retaliating against Epic for speaking out against Apple’s unfair and illegal practices, just as they’ve done to other developers time and time again," Epic said in its statement today. The retaliation is shady, but is the retaliation illegal? Even if a whistleblower would show an Apple internal conversation that looks like "Let's retaliate against Epic", the fine print everyone probably has some "we can t…

DMA requires that (stated informally) large enough online marketplaces do not retaliate against developers or users without a good cause.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by snowpid »

rdtsc wrote: post #943

> "Apple is retaliating against Epic for speaking out against Apple’s unfair and illegal practices, just as they’ve done to other developers time and time again," Epic said in its statement today. The retaliation is shady, but is the retaliation illegal? Even if a whistleblower would show an Apple internal conversation that looks like "Let's retaliate against Epic", the fine print everyone probably has some "we can t…

Retaliation goes against the spirit of the DMA.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by averageRoyalty »

vichle wrote: post #920
simondotau wrote: post #862

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic Games was willing to hurt their iOS users by knowingly, wilfully, and strategically breaching Apple's developer agreement in a way they knew would result in Fortnite being removed from the store. Then they manipulated their customers into directing their anger towards Apple even though it was Epic's wilful actions were to blame. I'd be a little emotional too.

Apple has manipulated the entire global population into thinking what they are doing is reasonable. It's BS and someone has to stand up to them.

Maybe correct, but the GP's point that Epic instigated this knowing full well it will likely end up in their users being "hurt" is valid. If we're trying to find the point of who decided to do something to hurt users, we look for the first to make that concious decision.
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