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'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

peyton wrote: post #800

> it's important to me to remind people that the US destroyed Iraq in response to 9/11 That is not true. I remember Bush’s address: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/iraq/new... I would say that US military doctrine has successfully created the most peaceful era in human history as measured by mortality rate due to conflict, and a fundamental part of that is the willingness to confront adversaries w…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38620493.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #932
jonathanstrange wrote: post #884

Flagging this submission should lead to its removal. I'm very disappointed that HN allows political topics now. It's well-known that discussion of one-sided articles like this one doesn't lead to good discussions. It's clearly political, and, even worse, based on a one-sided submission pointing to Al Jazeera, which is driven by ideology and known for publishing way more radical articles in Arabic than in English. The…

Politics threads are common here and allowed. I see several right now on the front page.

Please don't cross into personal attack.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #884

Flagging this submission should lead to its removal. I'm very disappointed that HN allows political topics now. It's well-known that discussion of one-sided articles like this one doesn't lead to good discussions. It's clearly political, and, even worse, based on a one-sided submission pointing to Al Jazeera, which is driven by ideology and known for publishing way more radical articles in Arabic than in English. The…

Some political topics have always been allowed on HN.

If you want to know how we think about this, there are lots of past explanations at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so.... If you look at some of those and still have a question that isn't answered there, I'd be happy to take a look.

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38617796 in this thread, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869 for the history of "HN is getting too political" perceptions.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

scotty79 wrote: post #860
dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

Since I don't know how to contact you directly ... My comments got rate limited bacause of two or three dumb comments I made over the span of a decade mostly on religious topics. Does the rate limiting get lifted after some time automatically or is this punishment forever? I tried asking people here but they didn't come up with an answer except to try to ask you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html explains how to contact us directly.

I'd be happy to take a look for you but it's impossible to keep track of this from the comments.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by Tainnor »

dang wrote: post #374
EvgeniyZh wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I skim through headers of 100+ vote submission daily, and since 7.10 I haven't seen anything about this conflict until recently, and now this is second in last week. Since the discussion usually tend to be broad topic rather than specific link, this feels a lot (I left a single comment last time and was flooded by responses). Both entries are talking negatively about Israel (I think specifically Al Jazeera is not ver…

Yes - the reason is that it slowly started to dawn on me that we can't avoid this topic altogether and still remain within the intended spirit of this site. That took a while, and it's probably better to have waited in any case, because otherwise the odds of reflective rather than reflexive responses ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ) would have been even lower than they currently are…

People who are "intellectually curious" about the Israel-Palestine conflict and its history should go read a book (or several)[0] instead of debating it on social media. At least that's my opinion.

[0] I would recommend this one, although I haven't yet made it very far (as it's very long): https://iupress.org/9780253220707/a-history-of-the-israeli-p...

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by throwaway282958 »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #933

If we're gonna have a curious conversation I must say that I don't understand the distinction between civlians and non-civilians (combatants?). Isn't the whole point of war to kill the enemy's civilians and destroy their infrastructure, so that their nation can't support a standing army to defend whatever natural resources the attacker wants in the first place? I wonder if there is any example from history, modern an…

> In the end, I don't get the logic of giving different status to civilians and combatants

The morale of the fighting force is a big reason. Most people have souls. Most people fighting in modern offensive wars are not doing so by choice.

Can you not imagine yourself being conscripted and forced to fight in a war? Do you seriously believe that in that position, you would not distinguish between an enemy combatant with a weapon and a parent fleeing with their child?

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by awinograd »

jacooper wrote: post #917
awinograd wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent comment is discussing a different hospital, Al-Ahli on Oct 17th, vs Al-Shifa on Nov 10th which is the article you're linking to from NYT. Civilians being injured in a hospital is clearly a tragedy. That's why hospitals normally have protected status during a war and targeting them would be a war crime. However, hospitals (and other protected sites like schools) lose their protected status when they're used…

They were never used as Military centers, they is zero evidence Hamas was there. And they just committed a new massacre in a school. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/13/israel-ha...

Hamas bringing hostages on Oct 7th to Al Shifa: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-video-hamas-hostag...

There is clearly a Hamas presence at the hospital based on the video. Additionally, there are tunnel shafts in the complex that lead to dozens of meters of tunnels with wiring/electricity connected to the hospital. Granted, the electricity comment is impossible to verify, but the tunnel system is clearly there. I don't have any guesses of who besides hamas would have built/used a tunnel like that.

Person with an RPG next to steps of Al Quds hospital: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/13/hospital-gaza-al...

Hard to tell if this person is affiliated with Hamas or some other group, but it's clearly a combatant at the hospital.

RE the school: It's kind of difficult to tell what has happened. Clearly the school was the site of fighting, but I don't see any evidence in that video showing point blank executions of anybody let alone civilians or infants as was described.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by zukhan »

gotoeleven wrote: post #617
megous wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hamas continues to attack Israel. The rocket launches are usually framed as response to massacres, if you read the launch announcements, btw. In any case, it's quite doubtful that Israel would stop its aggression, if Gaza would stop firing rockets. The goal has been to "eliminate Hamas" for a few months already, if you want to believe the Israel government's statements. There's no "but if the rocket attacks stop" e…

The bombing would stop tomorrow if hamas were to release the hostages and surrender. They started this war and it is completely in their power to end it so every death in gaza is their fault.

The bombing, shootings, mass arrests without charges (and associated torture) will not stop if Hamas did that. It has been going on for decades against the Palestinians. https://ifamericansknew.org/

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by zappb »

dang wrote: post #832
zappb wrote: post #776

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re going to run a forum where blatant rule breaking comments can’t even be reported, maybe refrain from hosting threads on politics, especially one that attracts people who claim that broiling babies alive is some sort of “resistance”.

> blatant rule breaking comments can’t even be reported You can flag rule-breaking comments and in egregious cases, email us at hn@ycombinator.com. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

Ah thanks for the info!
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