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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by metadat »

paulus_magnus2 wrote: post #827

Elon did his usual "escape forward" trick but in the end this iteration does not deliver what was promised. I reserved a $40k truck in 2019 that was supposed to be much easier to manufacture than regular cars - hence the relatively good price. No expensive paint shop, much easier line to make body panels of cold rolled steel bent into shape. Exaskeleton from a single. Industrial design, no side mirrors, no wipers. 6…

I hadn't heard the term "escape forward" before. It's a great way to describe what I previously didn't have the words to, thanks!

> from the French: fuite en avant. It means: “an escape forward.” The idea is basically this: you escape a disaster by moving on quickly. Alas, most of the time, you're moving quickly to the next disaster.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

czbond wrote: post #551
jedberg wrote: post #455

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I've seen a lot of Teslas around the Bay Area with bumper stickers that say "I got this before Elon went crazy".

Gotta virtue signal! I don't know Elon's views - nor do I care. I drive a Jeep - and couldn't care less about the executive's political views & wouldn't be insecure enough to place it on a bumper sticker.

Unfortunately now that Musk is ruler of one of the world's largest communication platforms it's becoming extremely difficult to ignore his increasingly polarized views. And even if you avoid them, other people will not.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by ryandrake »

cashsterling wrote: post #893
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #820

It's a brutally agressive looking machine - I assume intentionally so. That flat front pretty much guarantees padestrian/cyclist/motorcyclist fatailities in a collision. And over on Ars Technica they say "Musk implied that in a crash with another vehicle, the Cybertruck [...] will destroy the other vehicle." [1] - and presumably therefore kills its occupants too. Opinion: this is the purest physical realisation of th…

Lets remember that most sedan [and smaller] cars do not fair well in collisions with pick-up trucks like the Ford F250... and neither do pedestrians and cyclists. Then consider all of the even larger, heavily industrial vehicles on the road... Does look like the cybertruck might be even burlier than a F250... but the point is, we already share the road with "mini-tanks" [that are intrinsically more dangerous to other…

Don't forget that aggression and belligerence in vehicle design is a selling point to certain segments of truck buyers. It's not enough that the vehicle will protect its occupants in a crash. Its ability to destroy the thing it crashes into is a selling point to some people. I have more than once heard people boasting about how much their truck would damage a [slur] little Prius (or whatever) if they ran into one.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by CrazyStat »

chrisco255 wrote: post #534
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #510

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My friend who’s in landscaping drives a basic F150 with an 8-ft bed. The payload capacity on his truck is less than the base Lightning. Usually he’s bringing a bunch of tools back there, and depending on the job might be carrying plants, mulch etc. In cases where he has to haul more (eg. clearing out a huge amount of overgrown plants) he might rent a utility trailer to tow. Which the Lightning is also perfectly capab…

It's actually quite hard to exceed the payload capacity of an F150 unless you're hauling bricks, and even then you could probably mostly fill it up. How easy is it to supercharge a F150 electric while towing a 20 foot trailer? The way I see most Tesla superchargers oriented, it seems like it would be a pain in the ass. But also, depending on where landscaping jobs take you, you might be well out of range of a superch…

> The way I see most Tesla superchargers oriented, it seems like it would be a pain in the ass.

Most superchargers have one stall oriented so that you can pull in to it (with the charger on the left side of the stall), with the rest of the stalls designed to be backed into.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by ElijahLynn »

I watched the whole launch event, my takeaway is that the Cybertruck is is going to really take off. I say this as someone who really disliked the initial aesthetic. Here are 3 facts:

1. It outpulls an F350 Diesel (and an F150 lightning and Rivian R1T)

2. It outurns any vehicle due to rear-wheel steering

3. It is faster than ANY truck AND most sports cars (it beat a Porsche 911 while pulling a 911 on a trailer)

4. It is bulletproof. They showed footage of two different gun types shooting the car. I imagine you are going to have certain celbreties get one of these simply to "flex" as the cool kids say these days. Some people will also get it because they are in cities where drive by shootings DO happen frequently and you can at least duck inside your Cybertruck.

Now, believe it or not, but there are people who do work with trucks that really need to pull a lot of weight, and being able to pull a little more than the F350 is going to result in less trips, so functionally some people will get it just for that reason. Also, moving a truck on certain job sites is a PITA sometimes, and the all wheel turning is going to be like magic in some situations.

I predict this will change the entire industry.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by EnigmaFlare »

rainsford wrote: post #450
yreg wrote: post #433

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> At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimble. Why do you believe that? (I assume you have not test driven it.) From the videos it seems to feel very nimble.

I have admittedly not test driven it, but there's certain fundamental physical realities that are pretty hard to overcome. Ride height and vehicle weight universally negatively impact handling on the road because they increase your momentum, center of gravity, suspension travel, etc. Weight in particular is hard to counteract because going around a corner relies on being able to redirect that mass using only the fric…

> Weight in particular is hard to counteract because going around a corner relies on being able to redirect that mass using only the friction generated by the contact patch of the tires.

Are you sure about that? Tyre friction force is at least to first approximation proportional to vehicle weight, and so is the force needed to turn at a particular radius and speed, so they balance independently of weight. I'd say weight doesn't necessarily make a difference to turning ability. CoM height yes, though.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by _ea1k »

stetrain wrote: post #934
_ea1k wrote: post #890

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True, I left out that part. :) TBH, I'm really looking forward to seeing the Tesla tested on 800V CCS chargers via the adapter. It seems like it is at least possible that it might charge faster on those than on the current 400V superchargers. Of course, that would change if Tesla starts enabling 800V support on V3/V4.

In the Top Gear interview they confirmed the truck can do 350kW charging on a V4 charger, 15-85% in 18-20 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uefydJUbRhc @ 34min

Yeah, I saw that, but tbh, I'm taking it with a grain of salt at this point. We've already seen one screenshot of the charge rate at ~70% and it wasn't great. It was showing ~10 minutes remaining to get to 80% too. That was on a slower charger, but the charge rate was less than 80 KW.

Considering how bad the 4680 Model Y was, I'm not optimistic.

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Post by dharmab »

harambae wrote: post #903
65a wrote: post #702

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Hasn't VAG had steer-by-wire for nearly a decade now?

Yes as well as some BMW’s, McLarens, at least some of the electric Hyundai/Kias and I’m sure a bunch of others I’m not as familiar with. The shock over it on HN is just because of how few people here work in automotive.

In those systems the steer by wire works in cooperation with a mechanical system. Other cars have had backup mechanical steering systems that engage if the steer by wire fails.

What's new about the Cybertruck is it _only_ has a steer by wire system with no mechanical linkages at all. But this is being misreported as the first steer-by-wire system which doesn't cooperate with a mechanical linkage- Nissan has done that for quite a while in some models.

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Post by Panzer04 »

caconym_ wrote: post #583
dgacmu wrote: post #391

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I drove a rented SUV a few weeks ago (GMC Acadia Denali) that had quite shocking acceleration -- 310 horsepower or so -- and the handling of a dead fish. It was kind of scary, and overall a really unpleasant experience. I don't understand why the manufacturer would choose that combination other than being able to market the HP. And this was gas, not EV.

Reminds me of this article I saw recently: https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a45688551/2023-tesla-mo... > The result is terrifying. Both terrifying to drive, and terrifying to realize that these things are out on the road, in the hands of a public I don't trust enough to handle this sort of power. Up on Angeles Crest, the Plaid is incredibly quick, but it doesn't have the chassis, steering, or brakes to deal with…

It's a strange world. Small personal EVs (ebikes, scooters, and so on) are all heavily regulated, often with very limited speed limits - while 3 ton cars that are infinitely more likely to kill someone other than the driver are given a free pass.

It's a world built for cars, and we're only barely clawing it back.

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