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OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Was Marx wrong?

For his prediction of society? Yes. Not even talking about the various tin-pot dictators paying nominal lip service to him, but Marx predicted that the working class would rise up against the bourgeoisie/upper class because of their mistreatment during the industrial revolution in well, a revolution and that would somehow create a classless society. (I'll note that Marx pretty much didn't state how to go from "revolu…

Anywhere where the working class rose up against the bourgeoisie/upper class because of their "mistreatment" (sense of victimhood instilled in them by Marxism), became dramatically worse in its civil liberties, and in its economic trajectory, in every respect.

And in most places there was no such uprising, and incidentally, those places fared far better.

So no, Marx was resoundingly proven wrong.

Even during his own lifetime, some of his pseudoeconomic ideas/doomsaying was proven wrong.

He claimed, like many demagogues and economic laymen, that automation would reduce the demand for labor, and with it, wages:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour...

>>But even if we assume that all who are directly forced out of employment by machinery, as well as all of the rising generation who were waiting for a chance of employment in the same branch of industry, do actually find some new employment – are we to believe that this new employment will pay as high wages as did the one they have lost? If it did, it would be in contradiction to the laws of political economy. We have seen how modern industry always tends to the substitution of the simpler and more subordinate employments for the higher and more complex ones. How, then, could a mass of workers thrown out of one branch of industry by machinery find refuge in another branch, unless they were to be paid more poorly? and

>>To sum up: the more productive capital grows, the more it extends the division of labour and the application of machinery; the more the division of labour and the application of machinery extend, the more does competition extend among the workers, the more do their wages shrink together.

This was proven wrong in his own lifetime as factory worker wages rapidly grew in industrializing Britain.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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It's not wild. "Predict the next word" does not imply a bar on intelligence; a more intelligent prediction that incorporates more detail from the descriptions of the world that were in the training data will be a better prediction. People are drawing a straight line because the main advance to get to GPT-4 was throwing more compute at "predict the next word", and they conclude that adding another order of magnitude o…

> Predict the next word Are there any papers testing how good humans are at predicting the next word? I presume us humans fail badly: 1. as the variance in input gets higher? 2. Poor at regurgitating common texts (e.g. I couldn't complete a known poem). 3. When context starts to get more specific (majority of people couldn't complete JSON)?

There's entire studies on it, I saw a lecture by some English professor who explained how the brain isn't fast enough to parse words in real time, so runs multiple predictions of what the sentence will be in parallel and at the end jettisons the wrong ones and goes with the correct one.

From this, we get comedy. A funny statement is one that ends in an unpredictable manner and surprises the listener brain because it doesn't have the meaning of that one already calculated, and hence why it can take a while to "get the joke"

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Yeah, there definitely seem to be some personality cult around Sam on HN. I met him when he visited Europe during his lobbying tour. I was a bit surprised the CEO of one of the most innovative companies would promote an altcoin. And then he repeated how Europe is crucial, several times. Then he went to the UK and laughed, "Who cares about Europe". So he seems like the guy who will tell you what you want to hear. Ask…

> Then he went to the UK and laughed, "Who cares about Europe" Interesting. Got any source? Or was it in a private conversation.

No, this one was from a friend who was there, and AFAICT it wasn't a private conversation but a semi-public event. In any case, after courting a few EU countries he decided to set up OpenAI office in the UK.

I have nothing against him, it just seemed a bit off that most of the meeting was about this brand new coin, how it will be successful, and about the plans to scan biometric data of the entire world population. I mean, you don't have to be a genius to understand a few dozen ways these things can go wrong.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Ok, but the wages were excellent (assuming that the equity panned out, which it seemed very likely it would until last week).

So it is possible a lot of those people against Altman being outed are like that because they know the equity they hold will take a dump? I'm not saying they are hypocrites or bad people because of it, just wondering if that might be a factor also.

I'd say the 650 out of the 700 people who signed it were those who joined later for the money, and not early for the non-profit's mission.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Really? I’ve always assumed (known) there is no actual difference between high level execs and you: they just think higher of themselves.

That makes as much sense as saying (knowing) that the only difference in basketball skill between you and LeBron James is that he thinks higher of himself.

You’re really likening running a company against the skills of a professional athlete? Put down the kool aid. CEOs are figureheads. Very few have ever had actual meaningful impact on the progress of their companies (or anything really) compared to their most talented engineers.

I’m done pretending they’re important. It’s a lie they and the boards have sold us and investors. The real meat of a company is who their smartest people are, and how much the company enables those people.

Pretty easy to see the difference if you consider between a company full of smart people who actually make things vs a company full of CEOs, which one will do better.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Telling statement. The Elon split for me cements Altman as the Lionheart in the story.

There are other options besides 'Elon is a jerk' or 'Sam is a jerk'.

Yeah I don't mean Sam is a jerk but there is an element of dishonesty that twigs me.

Elon isn't above reproach either but I share interest with him (aka Robert Heinlein) which informs me on his decision making process.

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