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Post by achates »

anigbrowl wrote: post #801
misssocrates wrote: post #718

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What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

More than you'd think. You're more likely to be murdered by someone you know than a stranger. iirc it's something like ~55% chance of someone you know, ~25% chance of a family member, ~45% chance of a stranger (which could be anything from drug deals gone bad to serial killers). You can delve into the data but but the format isn't the same for every year so it might be some work to normalize: https://www.fbi.gov/how-…

That statistic could only possibly exist for solved murders. Only ~50% of murders are solved and it's much easier to solve if the victim knows the killer. This sounds like a "looking for your keys under the street lights" scenario.

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danso wrote: post #108

The SF-is-a-hellhole narrative is compelling, but the report that Lee was not the victim of a random crime shouldn't have been surprising. The FBI says 40+% of murders are committed by a family member or acquaintance, and 10% by total strangers: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

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Post by hezralig »

twelve40 wrote: post #815
klyrs wrote: post #321

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Ironically, when the killer is alleged to be another tech exec known to the victim, people here still prefer to talk about "crime-ridden SF" instead.

both can be true, crazy, right??

"I imagined it could be true, which says a lot about society."

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Post by nemothekid »

juliusgeo wrote: post #860
jakeinspace wrote: post #803

I haven’t been to SF in 10+ years, but I grew up in a (more) dangerous American city. I’m curious how much of the panic over public safety in the Bay Area is massively skewed by upper middle class immigrants (from safer suburban America, or from other countries) getting their first taste of American urban life. I don’t want to sound too dismissive, American cities are really dangerous and impoverished compared to wha…

I have only lived for extensive periods of time in two cities: SF (2 years about) and Philadelphia (4 years). The biggest difference between them is that even in some of the worst areas of Philadelphia in terms of drug crime, there were far fewer people actively dealing or doing drugs on the streets in large groups. It was more spread out—there were issues in all areas of the city, but there was no area with the shee…

I think that has more to do with housing than anything. Most drug addicts would probably prefer to get high in the comfort of their own home.

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Post by cjohnson318 »

woodruffw wrote: post #894

This is shocking and saddening, and should also be a lesson to this community: previous threads on this tragedy immediately jumped to blaming the homeless, when the overwhelming majority of violent crimes are committed by individuals known to the victim. Edit: Added "violent," to preempt diversions about non-violent crimes.

I think about 64% of murder victims know their murderer, but that depends a lot on your background and social network.

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Post by jjcon »

bandyaboot wrote: post #934
jjcon wrote: post #910

> San Francisco authorities hit back at Elon Musk and others who had used Lee’s killing to criticize law enforcement in the city. Tagline is kinda weird... isn't murder kinda indicative of a law enforcement failure?

I suppose this was a case of a failure of law enforcement insomuch as the SFPD has failed to find/hire a trio of precogs.

You think precogs are required for any level of crime prevention? No wonder people are fleeing SF

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Post by Kranar »

Alupis wrote: post #919
woodruffw wrote: post #917

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The suspect is indeed innocent until proven guilty. I haven't advanced any claim that this particular suspect is the perpetrator; only that violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by people known to their victims. I hope that we can extend the same fundamental legal skepticism to society's most needy.

> violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by people known to their victims. Homicide. Homicide is overwhelmingly committed by people known to their victims. Violent Crime includes armed robbery, aggravated assault, forcible rape and murder. Not all of these crimes share that statistic.

You appear the be incorrect according to the latest statistics I could find from the Bureau of Justice Statistics [1].

Most violent crimes are committed by someone known to the victim (defined as an acquaintance, friend, family member, or intimate partner) and of the ones you listed, robbery is the only exception (62% committed by strangers, 32% committed by someone known, and 6% is unknown).

[1] https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv21.pdf

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Post by juliusgeo »

nemothekid wrote: post #944
juliusgeo wrote: post #860

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have only lived for extensive periods of time in two cities: SF (2 years about) and Philadelphia (4 years). The biggest difference between them is that even in some of the worst areas of Philadelphia in terms of drug crime, there were far fewer people actively dealing or doing drugs on the streets in large groups. It was more spread out—there were issues in all areas of the city, but there was no area with the shee…

I think that has more to do with housing than anything. Most drug addicts would probably prefer to get high in the comfort of their own home.

This is true—some of the people I met in Philly had serious drug addictions but their rent was only 300 a month for a whole house. I genuinely don’t think there is any equivalent in SF. That is probably also why I almost never saw tents or similar in Philly.

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Post by bandyaboot »

jjcon wrote: post #946
bandyaboot wrote: post #934

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose this was a case of a failure of law enforcement insomuch as the SFPD has failed to find/hire a trio of precogs.

You think precogs are required for any level of crime prevention? No wonder people are fleeing SF

No, I think precogs would have been required to prevent this case, which is why I used the words “this case”.

Also, I’m not following, people are fleeing SF because bandyaboot on hn thinks precogs are required to prevent “any level” of crime? I didn’t know I had that much clout! And my clout transcends temporal cause and effect!

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