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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by InvaderFizz » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 4:39 AM UTC

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Come on, at least the Mexican peso has appreciated considerably this last year. Swiss francs, BTC.

Thank you for pointing out the Mexican peso strength, they have definitely been able to turn it around. Isn’t that actually a bit due to their strong US ties? Swissie and BTC make sense as safe havens for the sanctions and seizure risks of USD. I do expect those to continue to strengthen.

Strong US ties, high interest rates, currency of choice until recently for the carry trade, and a large oil exporter. Large moves in the peso are largely tied to the price of oil.

The past year it's gone from almost 21 to the dollar to nearly 18. Certainly sucks for me losing 15% on the conversation rate along with the general inflation that has happened. My food bill in Mexico is up like 40% over the past six months in dollar terms.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by makingstuffs » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 4:43 AM UTC

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I 100% agree about the hardware but I have to say the selling point of apple is the OS. I have an iPhone SE 2020 and the screen broke. This caused me to use my QA device (Samsung S21+) while I returned to the city from the mountains. It was a horrendous experience. The camera is unquestionably better in the Samsung but that is about all the positives I could take from my week of using it. Android was just an abysmal…

> Android was just an abysmal experience from my perspective. I'm always amused by this kind of comment. I have been from ios to Android back to ios in the last few years. The two of them are so similar nowadays it's laughable. The UX is nearly identical.

It really isn’t, take WhatsApp as an example. The UI on android is literally completely different to that of iOS.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by illiac786 » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 4:43 AM UTC

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You are buying into a distorted image of the typical US population experience. Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society. 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two and if it’s urgent can access numerous urgent care clinics with almost no wait. Best I can tell for many European countries the situation is significantly worse in terms…

Very bottom of society has free healthcare. For example for WA. https://www.hca.wa.gov/free-or-low-cost-health-care

We should define what healthcare means. For example: if you have a cavity, do they simply pull the tooth or do you get a filling? It's just an example, but health care ranges from "preventing you from dying only" up to cosmetic stuff.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by softsound » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 5:08 AM UTC

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Firearms are the leading cause of death for American children and teens - higher than motor vehicle deaths. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

Suicide is often included as a cause of death to intentionally distort this statistic: > From 2019 to 2020, the relative increase in the rate of firearm-related deaths of all types (_suicide_, homicide, unintentional, and undetermined) among children and adolescents was 29.5% If you control for this, and include rates of homicide using other means of destruction (i.e., explosives or knives), it starts to look a lot m…

Shouldn't that number be concerning 30% of children deaths are from guns?

Suicide or not, doesn't that seem concerning? Hmm... Some people say it's the top way children die now by gun. I remember growing up and having active shooter drills in elementary school but it's nothing like they are now. I think we are one of the few countries where children dieing by firearm has increased 46% in the last twenty years or so.

Where I grew up it wasn't rare to hear about stabbings or shooting but it does put me on edge hearing about a mall I used to go to having an active shooter etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-...

www.kff.org/private-insurance/press-release/firearms-are-the-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-in-the-united-states-but-rank-no-higher-than-fifth-in-other-industrialized-nations/amp/

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by kristjansson » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 5:44 AM UTC

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So, as a negative example, you provide ... a laptop you paid $1500 + $200 + $250 for, and got 7+ years of use?

you see no reason with being forced to pay for a repair for an issue that was recalled for 2 months later?

Yes, that's annoying. Generally Apple offers refunds for prior repairs (within some window) on service programs?

I'd guess that the compounding exceptions of your situtation (paying for AppleCare in liu of paying for a repair, then that repair being being of a service program) were sufficiently illegible to Apple that you didn't (couldn't?) get a refund.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by donkeyd » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 5:48 AM UTC

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> America on the internet is different from America in real life. Implying I don't know America in real life, never lived there, never visited and don't know actual people there. All not being true. I have zero friends in my home country who work multiple jobs. I have multiple in the US. > The Americans work 34.5 hours a week. In my country it's 32. So almost 8% less. Which I'd call significant if working hours is di…

> And a society that burdens people with debt causing them to work every waking moment while avoiding costly things like health care, because they might miss a day of work or become even more indebted through the cost of said health care. People just pick up opioids so they can handle the pain and keep working two jobs. In the bottom 10-15% of the society there is some truth to what you wrote. However are you sure yo…

> However are you sure you are comparing that with the same segment in your country?

Yes, I come from the bottom of society in my country. I grew up surrounded by people without jobs, blue collar workers and parents that worked in factory and hospitality jobs. Luckily, my country takes care of people in these situations, provides them affordable homes and health care and income and helps them to go to school without ending up with crippling debt.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by donkeyd » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 5:55 AM UTC

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It really is hard for some people to understand, right? Mom makes X Prices go up Mom still makes X

Not true for retirees because Social Security gets inflation adjustments. Probably not true in general either except in stagflation.

This thread was about pricing in the EU. Even if it was inflation adjusted, it wasn't adjusted for exchange rate differences, which are a significant part of the price increase on Apple products in the EU.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by arwhatever » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 6:05 AM UTC

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :) Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns. Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy…

Bit of a tangent, but what issues might you mark Spain down on? I’m seriously eyeing their digital nomad visa.

Having stayed there 1-3 months at a time so far, it’s pretty hard to find fault.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by realusername » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 6:22 AM UTC

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I can agree with the market all you want but on the tech side, Android is miles ahead of Apple for any developer stuff, there's not even a debate. xcode itself is 12GB and doesn't support partial updates, the projet file is some hot garbage and plays badly with git, the whole ide is lagging pretty hard on clicka, app upload is so broken Apple themselves had ro release a third party tool to bypass it, the developer po…

How many test devices do you need to make sure your app works well from a high end Samsung to a shitty low end $150 unsubsidized phone? How slow is the emulator? How many Android versions do you have to test for because of the piss poor support for OS updates from Android manufacturers?

I never had that on Android but I experienced that with Apple actually! I had to get a second phone because the first one glitched and broke the developer mode, resetting it did not solve the issue. Apple support had no idea what caused the bug of course since there's no debug logs, this bug still exists right now if you are unlucky and is common on stackoverflow.

> How slow is the emulator? How many Android versions do you have to test for because of the piss poor support for OS updates from Android manufacturers?

I prefer to use my real device since it's not taking any screen space but the Android emulator is much much faster than the one from Apple, every click takes 3s on the Apple one, I don't know what they have done exactly to make it perform so badly. Or maybe it's the mac I used, but again, there's no way to know anyways.

I gave up on Apple because of the overall poor dev experience, I now consider the devices legacy and tell users who ask that I will only support Android to guarantee a better experience, the app used to be available on iOS but I won't upload the app back due to the poor dev ecosystem.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by nicky0 » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 6:33 AM UTC

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I think the 2009 recession for the US, and our anemic response to it, created a huge swath of perma-bears across the political spectrum who have predicted the US economy will collapse every year since 2011. Like a broken clock I’m sure they’ll eventually be correct.

> the 2009 recession for the US, and our anemic response to it From dictionary.com: anemic: a lack of power, vigor, vitality, or colorfulness Interesting that you'd characterize the response to 2008 financial crisis as 'lack(ing) power'. The response was unprecedented in scale and scope, at least in terms of intervention from the Federal Reserve. The bail-out of the automakers was also controversial due to its size a…

Large in the quantity of money printed, but anaemic in the sense of it being a band-aid, maintainging ther status quo. It did nothing to address stuructural problems or course correct. It just set us up for the next crisis.