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Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Farmlands and suburbs are completely different things, especially in the context of urban development. Industrial zones are also a completely different category entirely. Living in Germany, most German cities do not have anything that is comparable to a U.S. "suburb". Building codes demand a quite high density, even for single family homes for new developments and older developments have the tendency to get denser as…

And Germany is tiny compared to the US. A farm in Germany is how far of a drive from the nearest city? In the US you could drive 10 hours from a farm to get to the nearest large city. Suburbs and tiny cities are what farms need to survive.

Yes, farms need market access. But that market does not have to be a sprawling suburb, it can be a decently dense town or city. Also, market access is relative depending on product. Farmers concentrating on crops like wheat and corn don't care about the distance to cities, as their product is traded globally. For fresh produce, distance is a real concern, but on the other hand you don't need a lot of land to fulfill the need of even large cities. You could conceivably provide most fresh produce from inside city limits if urban planning would see this as necessary. Production/acre for something like tomatoes is really huge, depending on the methods used.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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As I noted above it's probably healthier for fruits/veg to shop more than once a week but I just don't like the hassle of grocery shopping that often. If it was along the way from mass trans to my flat maybe, but one stop away definitely not.

Yeah that's the thing, you're not meant to need "mass transit" to get groceries . It shouldn't even be a single "stop" away, it should be even closer. Are you saying you don't have a single decent grocery shop within a 5-10 minute walk of your house? A 15 minute city is meant to have that. And not just one shop ... you're meant to have lots and lots of them . In the last place I lived, there were at least six I could…

Myself personally it's a 36 or 40 minute one way walk to two grocery stores by me. No sidewalks 90%. I'm not sure the big busy intersection even has ped cross walk buttons. <5 min drive, never any traffic. Own a house and decent land, not on top of neighbors. Just can't imagine why people would want to live in a city like that but it sounds like the place is in transition from rural like I am to full on city from too many people there.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Somewhat unrelated to the article, but I live in a mid-size EU city and dumped my car for an e-bike a few months ago. Surprisingly, it hasn't been that hard (my GF kept her car, and I have a car-sharing subscription): Pros: - Immediately stopped having insomnia. Better feel overall; - about €300/month in additional disposable income. That's basically a free lunch everyday! - significantly faster if parking is taken i…

> - might be impossible depending on work or children; The newer style of cargo bikes can for many families replace a car. Have two kids seated in the trunk of the bike and drop them off at kindergarten, then continue biking to work and pick them up on the way home. Those are a bit on the pricier side, though. Still cheap compared to a car, but people often look at them as something "extravagant" or "in addition" to…

There's also fairly cheap trailers that you can attach to any bike, and they work quite well.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Where's the carrot? Other than beating drivers over the head what is being done to help the situation? Better mass trans, bikes etc? They are doing that stuff right?

Most (or at least, a plurality of) people who cycle or take the tube in London also drive a car sometimes; it's not like you have to be wedded to one particular transport mode. Drivers aren't drivers 100% of the time. Reducing motor traffic makes for safer, more aesthetically pleasant streets. You can expand the pavement, have flowers, landscaping, public art, outdoor dining, etc. The air quality is better, the surro…

This probably won't resonate with you but; 15 minute city litmus test; what do they install first, new parks/scenery, better transport, and up to date amenities.... or the cameras, barriers and restrictions? That's the answer to what purpose they serve.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Presumably you live in a place where it's safe to cycle. If so, I am envious.

I might be safer than you think. I used to refuse to ride in a city because it seemed dangerous and many people I knew who rode in traffic had been in accidents with cars. But when I ended up on a bike trying it out, I found I could almost always (~95% of the time) avoid traffic, even without bike lanes. Side streets and alleys are great - too slow for cars, but you're probably cycling at 10-15 mph, which is fine. Pa…

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Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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The first three, so literally half that list, are relatively small cities. Certainly not “capital sized”. I’ve noticed this trend you have of defining things in absolute terms despite the evidence being transparently not. Which I normally make an effort not to reply to your silly comments however on this occasion didn’t check who the commenter was before responding. Which is basically a longwinded way of saying I’m n…

Maybe you should actually try to live in a "city" in southern Europe. Just don't pick Lisbon, Porto, Madrid, Barcelona, Rom, Napel, Milano, Athens, Zagreb for the actual experience. Here is a suggestion, country side in the middle of the country, or one of the Mediterrean or Atlantic island.

I live in the countryside now. I’m not oblivious to the benefits of driving. What I’m doing is providing counter arguments to the ridiculous absolutes you’re coming out with. Comments like “only” are simply bullshit.

But I suspect that’s intentional behaviour. You don’t want people to agree, you are actively seeking out an argument. Because if you wanted a sensible discussion you’d see that our two points were complimentary rather than contradictory.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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How can they rent cars when they don’t have a driving license? And no, they weren’t all capital sized cities. I also don’t understand what vacationing has to do with anything when I was talking about backpackers, nomads and expats. Basically the polar opposite of people who vacation.

Many do, even if they don't drive at home. Plenty, it shows not wanting to endure the actual pain locals have with local transport system, if one exists at all.

> Many do, even if they don't drive at home.

But this conversation is about people who don’t drive. Not people who do.

You’ve warped the discussion so far off it’s original topic that your entire premise here is now just one stupid straw man argument.

To get back on topic: nobody is disputing that there are people out there with driving licenses (well durrr!). It was to explain why some people (ie not all) are content without learning to drive.

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Only if you live that close by. And I've never seen a long queue.

If you're in the US, it's likely that you either don't drive by schools when they're letting out, or you live in a place that has the right combination of density and poor kids to limit the driver pick-ups. None of the 5 places across 4 states where I've lived in the last 10 years have avoided the pickup line phenomenon.

You seem to have missed that this comment chain focused on daycare to begin with, not school. There's no bus for that.

Daycares vary in size. You can opt for institutions that watch after 30 kids at a time, or ones run out of houses, but one way or another if both you and your spouse work for a living, you need someone to watch your kid, and it will probably require daycare and by extension commuting. If you live in the suburbs, you drive.

Re: Cyclists now outnumber motorists in City of London

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Where I live the amount of alcohol allowed in the blood is less than is allowed for driving in the UK

Germany has a BAC threshold where acting stupid while being slightly tipsy is considered worse than acting stupid while being perfectly sober and that is indeed quite low (0.3). This entry level threshold does not distinguish between car and bike at all (pedestrians are fine). That level basically means "go for it, but at your own risk, and if someone else fucks up, you are partially responsible because might very we…

In the UK there are not these thresholds. If you have too much BAC, it's immediately really bad.
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