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Re: I am done. I give up

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post #731

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This also applies to other fields. People also believe that it is simple to make money through day trading. There are many tiktok influencers and youtubers who portray themselves as millionaires, trading on a beach while digital nomading and giving nonsense advice. Yes, it is possible to make money day trading, but it takes a significant amount of learning, practice, patience, time, and discipline, and even then, the…

I've been working on day trading now for just over 5 years. I even took a sabbatical for 1.5 years to fully dedicate myself to it. Still struggling to be consistently profitable. I figure it's going to take me another few years to have be in the place where I feel I can give up my other career entirely. Easily the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Definitely right, 99% of influencers about day trading are full…

As I understand day trading is a full time job. How do you work on that for 5 years without profits?

> I figure it's going to take me another few years

What are you planning to learn or what skills are you planning gain or sharpen during that period?

Re: I am done. I give up

#942

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I think one issue (for those of us who are the kind of people that read this site) is that "entrepreneurship" and "startup" are overloaded terms. Most of the discussion here is about "startups" with huge growth ambitions. But what you're describing here is just "starting a business". Both things are "entrepreneurship", but they are extremely different beasts, with different paths to and likelihoods of success. The bi…

Totally disagree. We started a business in a market with huge TAM, venture backed, and have had meaningfully scaled customer and revenue growth… But that market is seafood supply chain compliance, and I guarantee you no influencer gives a flying fuck about it or even knows it exists. It’s gross, it’s not sexy, the people working in it are absolutely not on this website. If you get out of the echo chamber, there are l…

I don't think this is a disagreement...

Re: I am done. I give up

#943
post #626

It sounds to me like your expectations are way out of whack. I’ve seen friends, acquaintances, and colleagues become entrepreneurs. Without an exception, every one that has a serious social media presence is a fraud. They have a company that is either money losing or fed by their parents. They pretend to be entrepreneur geniuses on social media but really have done nothing but basically be instagram models. The peopl…

Agreed, expectations are everything or at least very important to keep sanity in this area.

Reality is that big majority of startup-s do fail to "make it" 90% of time to even be self sustaining. Financially meaning that you pay from your pocket overall and the resources have to come somewhere, day job or whatever, making it very much overwhelming and can break even a strong man. Only small percentage out of those 10% actually make it to sustainable enough to live by.

Percentages can begin to rise on your favour after learning from failures but there is of course no guarantees, some domains are inherently much less forgiving or have fierce competition. It is important to resarch and understand the landscape you're going into.

If you realise your odds then mindset starts to get clearer, you know what you risk losing and accept that loss is likely, you still put enough effort to win but don't set your mind so deep that everything collapses with the project.

It might be contrary to some suggestions that you have to put everything into startup to have a chance but that is also correct imo, you do have to be able to invest all your available time on the project. Keeping in mind that the project is not absolute everything in life and being able to walk away at right time as to not sunk endless resources to unfruitful endeavour keep you healthier.

Re: I am done. I give up

#944
post #250

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This is the right model. The vast majority of successful startups I've seen in my extended circle of friends didn't target other programmers or programmer-like consumers. Most startups try to build another database, web framework, or data service, or whatnot, because that's the problem programmers are familiar with. The next ones are consumer products, assuming consumers look like SFO. The competition is fierce, and…

How did your friends go about finding non-programmer markets? I can't leave my current role in tech because I don't have a big safety net, but I want to understand other markets and figure out inefficiencies. I've seen this advice about exploring non-tech industries pop up a lot and am interested in following through.

Easiest: Find a random industry. You'll see job openings for programmers. You'll probably be wildly overqualified. Get a job there. Make sure it's a job where you can keep your head up and learn to industry (and not be isolated in a cubicle).

Harder: Nerd out on something not computer science. Take classes in oddball topics. Go to industry conferences. Network and hang out in online forums.

I once hopped on a plane and went to a conference in a 90% unrelated industry that I had taken an interest in. Even gave a workshop there -- as an outsider looking in, around a relevant idea. Expensive, but I learned a ton and came out with a powerful network.

Have fun with it!

Re: I am done. I give up

#945

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Thank you for this, this lifted me up. I'm going through something similar to the OP, I haven't given up yet and don't really consider it either. But, it's really hard. My mental health certainly took a hit and I'm full of anxiety as my savings are not enough to cover the upcoming bills and couldn't find a contracting gig so far to support the cashflow. I've experienced severe panic attacks and bouts of depression. I…

I have had anxiety/depression too my whole life. Took me years to understand it and figure out a path forward. Therapy, meds helped a lot. And it took me decades to get the skill and perspective to start a company. Life is pretty long, if you spend 5-10 years dealing with depression -- you still have a 30 years of work to try new things once you learn to deal with your biology!

TBH that's a perspective I did not have. At 27 years old I feel like I've been slow and like I'm late for some of the aspirations I've had. I tend to look at things from a daily perspective. Today and tomorrow.

Thinking in decades however, reframes and somewhat changes the problems. I'll keep this in mind.

Re: I am done. I give up

#946
post #853

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Generational wealth doesn’t cover it. Stanford, MIT, Yale have lots of non-legacy attendees there based completely on academic performance. > That's more than all of Scandinavia's population combined. Goes a long way toward explaining why so many "big" startups come from the USA. Expand it to all of the European countries with free healthcare to match the populations and the outcome is the same. There is some subset…

While this may be true for individual cases. Statistically the argument is worthless. Frankly, it's a comforting lie that encourages harmful inaction by instilling a false sense of the playing field being close to even. The children of the top 1% make up 14.5% of the admissions to these schools. The chart of students by parental income[0] speaks for itself. The children of the bottom 20% make up a mere 3.8% of the st…

Your point isn’t coming out like you think. What you just said was 80% of the student body is middle class.

Re: I am done. I give up

#947
If you failed on your startup i would recommend you to read "The Right It: Why So Many Ideas Fail and How to Make Sure Yours Succeed" book by Alberto Savoia. This will give you basic tools to succeed and an explanation for why you failed before. Check it out and you will understand why you failed building your startup. Also don't get over your self, try to give some time for your self and take rest then after reading this book start building something new that you can test and validate the market. Good Luck.

Re: I am done. I give up

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post #550

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Yes, money maters. Rich kids can conjure tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars from "friends and family" in a mater of days. Hours even, if they're really connected. They can then pump all that money straight into advertisement, barely even need a working demo - just something that looks like a product. They can do this many times over. If you're gonna bootstrap something with $0, then you need to win the algorith…

The pyramid of loserdom goes all the way down, unless you're Elon Musk there is someone richer, and there's always someone poorer. Winners figure out how to make it with what they have. Losers always blame lack of resources, look at people who win the lottery, most return to the same standard of living within a few years. Almost anyone can afford $5 a day in ads to test market.

would you be able to get meaningful tests for $5 though? i think most ad providers need more as a minimum

Re: I am done. I give up

#949

It's a Darwinian world out there. Success is not up to you to produce. Telling people that it's all up to them and their free will is the most destructive lie you can tell, because it's not and the end result is that people start harming themselves with guilt because it's "their fault". It's not "your fault" and it's not because of your "free will". Guilt is an extremely destructive and evil emotion. Excise it from y…

This is too far the other way. Hard work and good ideas are necessary but not sufficient. That's all.

Yeah. I was in a bad state of mind when I wrote this. I'm sorry.

Re: I am done. I give up

#950
post #238

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Most problems in a Startup are product or distribution. Most people who look down on lifestyle businesses often have the lifestyle to begin with, or are their… yet to be accomplished followers. It’s koolaid that can lose a decade of so many peoples lives. Anyone who looks down on lifestyle businesses should introspect on where it came from that it’s ok for them to look down kn another’s choices and personal formula.…

This is a million dollar comment - there is a lot in here that is right and is quite literally an insight on the path to creating millions of dollars of value. - It is about building solid product and distribution at this stage, other stuff can wait - If you can self-fund customer discoveries (essentially get people to pay you while teaching you about the market) you are 80% of the way there - If you have nothing els…

Aw, thanks. glad it was useful. I do wish I didn’t write it from my phone. So many typos. :)

About creating millions in value, it really does compound, and it’s about capturing the value too.

I have self-funded customer discovery regularly, if they won’t buy a discovery, they probably probably won’t buy a solution. It’s ok to educate them, let them try to solve it on their own and then the good ones come back.

Getting investment can be super helpful though. I like knowing how’s to get 2-10x value out of each dollar. It helps with growing fast. Current recession likely makes it easier for me to raise investment in some ways.

I sometimes go out of my way to recommend everything but my own solution. It’s better when they connect the dots, and if they can’t.

Most B2B saas in time need a professional services division of some kind - so why not get the customer to pay for the sales cycle, as long as it might be. It’s an easier form of seeming the breakthrough. I hang out in Academia and other slow industries though sometimes and have to pass the time. It’s changing though thankfully.

Many customers want to pay to learn and get comfortable and build buy in to become a 10-20y customer.

Business skills get you in the room for conversations at the level of strategy and direction, way better than selling in. It’s great leaving management consultants making way more than you adding no value to the convo because they don’t get the fundamental shift in the business is doing the change not studying it.

Lots of people will say that’s not advisable to go this deep, and they might be right. I’ve found going deep on things leads to warm introductions to other people’s problems. Demonstrating care about someone else’s business done right does open doors. Doing things that doesn’t scale gets you access that doesn’t scale to the many.

I’ve recently come across an author by the name of April Dunford that made my add value first and awesome approach fell a little less alone, and special which is awesome. She is amazingly well written and spoken. Going to read more of her stuff in the next few months.

I accidentally closed a paid pilot over a lunch by making fun of all the software in my space including my own as the reason to refused to put it in place for him even though it would get him forward in the short term. He is a pioneer and because the future needs to be built in his world his tools have to be as well instead of doubling down on tech anchored the past.

I find most sales are the byproduct of trust in showing people how to navigate the information overload out there. It’s good to get the bad fits out of your hair, the rest more than make up for it. I’m going to try to make 2023 more vocal about being very different and see how it goes.

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