ITT: People confusing "free speech" with what a corporate entity does with it's private platform.
Free speech as a constitutional guarantee isn't the only type of free speech we ought to fight to protect.
Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#942Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…
>chiefly culturally conservative prude The difference in me (chiefly culturally conservative prude) and the liberal cancel culture is that I won’t try to silence someone’s choices based on my values. You may listen to whatever you want and I hope you get enjoyment out of it. I support your freedoms and a lot of good men have died to protect them.
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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#943Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the real issue isn't that people are calling for censorship. They're calling for Spotify to not pay people to produce political propaganda. Now, we get the worst of both worlds, where Spotify funds the production of harmful propaganda (by their own published standards), and also starts censoring independently produced content.
What specifically is the harmful political propaganda? Please provide direct quotes in context so that we can understand whether your complaint is valid.
Spotify recently published their criteria, and they also said the Joe Rogan content they're funding violated it.
My criteria don't matter, and Spotify's criteria have no bearing on the statement I made.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#944It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. He's way too big and off-key to permit him to keep going. The concept of free speech in the US is a mirage: you have it right up to the line where it matters or can threaten power centers, then you don't. Every major institution is united to destroy Rogan, including the WH. The Press Secretary -- speaking on behalf of the US Govt -- demanded Spotif…
Thank god Bitcoin and Web3 exist. Eventually one big content creator is going to move over to Web3 and it will cascade from there. Every Web3 naysayer/sockpuppet will have to eat their lunch. Say Rogan moves to Web3, that's it.
Web3 will exist because it has to, but it won't matter. Someone would have to be born out of something like Web3 to truly be free of containment.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#945I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
Ugh... what's worse than the actual censorship are people like you that pretend to not understand the issue, at all. First of all, WHO ARE YOU ARGUING WITH?!? - "proponent of a free market"? Who are you talking to? Critics of these reactions are not these people, so why on earth are you pretending you want to have a discussion when you deliberately choose to argue with people that have no objection to them? You're ta…
They're Marxists, they only see things through a Marxist perspective, and human anything does not enter into it.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#946Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ugh... what's worse than the actual censorship are people like you that pretend to not understand the issue, at all. First of all, WHO ARE YOU ARGUING WITH?!? - "proponent of a free market"? Who are you talking to? Critics of these reactions are not these people, so why on earth are you pretending you want to have a discussion when you deliberately choose to argue with people that have no objection to them? You're ta…
First of all, your tone does not belong on HN. Secondly, you claim that I do not "understand the issue, at all", which is ironic to say the least since you then go on to make the following examples as presumably equal to what is going on with JR: - Discriminating artists across the board based on ethnicity - Social networks banning end-users for having an opinion Neither of these are in any way similar to selling you…
I think to rephrase the parent comment, the issue is that you're making an argument from hipocrisy. You're saying that free-market people should be ok with this but (it sounds like) you also don't subscribe to the free-market view, which means that what you said isn't enough to justify it according to your values.
Maybe it would be different if you said "as a supporter of the free market, I believe that Spotify was correct and in their rights to do this".
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#948After discovering why they dropped the episodes, personally I hope that every music artist withdraws their catalog from Spotify and tanks it as a platform if they continue to support him. Supporting a racist asshole should not be tolerated.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#949I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#950I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.
The thing that is so hard for me to wrap my head around is that it is the LEFT who is doing it this time. I never would have imagined my "team" being the one to do it. In fact, I have to wonder what it is that I "am" anymore.
> In fact, I have to wonder what it is that I "am" anymore.
I have gone through a similar transition since the summer of 2020.