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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by aww_dang » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:10 PM UTC

ddingus wrote: post #785

Hiding the dislike info on POTUS seems important now. Hiding the dislike info on CNN seems important now. Public trust in government is low. Public trust in corporate media is low. It's been policy to manufacture consent in the US for quite a while now. Hard to say this move isn't more of the same, and it's equally hard to say it helps more than it hurts too.

It was funny when Baidu censored Winnie-the-Pooh memes. When YT censored "Let's go Brandon" videos, I chuckled, but the humor was darker.

Now they are hiding downvotes. On the US "National News" YT channel, almost all of the promoted videos are downvoted.

I'm always amazed at the discrepancy between what's promoted in the MSM and where popular opinion is. Meanwhile top podcasters routinely trounce MSM viewership ratings.

Perhaps these are the death throes of a dying propaganda machine?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by iratewizard » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:12 PM UTC

Galaxeblaffer wrote: post #907

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Isn't Reddit and hackernews a comment section with upvote and downvote for the entire internet ?

Reddit is a comment section filled with insufferable morons who allowed their website to become a way of repackaging fun parts of the internet with astroturfing.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by rickspencer3 » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

I read this as an example of my belief that unfettered engagement without a strong Code of Conduct enforced by human moderates always leads to a toxic community. Removing degrees of freedom in expression is necessary without such efforts to have and enforce standards.

For example, if you use Nintendo products, you can see that they rarely allow unfettered communication. For example, you can choose from a list of things to say, or you can choose an emotion to express, but you can't type whatever you want to other players on their network (usually).

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #905

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yes, Gab made their own browser called Dissenter that added a comment section to every page of the Internet. Interestingly, I can find very little when Googling for it now. I'm sure other projects have tried this too.

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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #905

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yes, Gab made their own browser called Dissenter that added a comment section to every page of the Internet. Interestingly, I can find very little when Googling for it now. I'm sure other projects have tried this too.

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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by supernovae » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

yodsanklai wrote: post #784

simias wrote: post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always found this information rather useless myself, so I don't see it as a huge deal. More often that not when I see a video with tons of dislike it's because it's been brigaded by an adversarial community and not really an indicator of the value of the content. In my experience it's more of a "controversial opinion" indicator than a "bad video" indicator. >There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds tha…

> In my experience it's more of a "controversial opinion" indicator than a "bad video" indicator. There are tons of non-controversial topics for which like/dislike is extremely valuable. Actually, I don't see the like/dislike on my android TV box, and for that reason, I don't even watch new content on it.

What's funny is I avoided a lot of content i feel in love with because of when TV and netflix had like or stars or dislike buttons.

Just have a brief preview and if i'm interested, i'll watch it.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by cmaggiulli » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:38 PM UTC

This is another big tech bubble wrap initiative. There is no “disapprove” option left. Everyone needs to be positive about everything at all times

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by nicbou » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:40 PM UTC

lbriner wrote: post #934

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

My experience is that in many scenarios, comments were an attempt to create sticky relationships when the comments themselves add very little. Take a news site, an article about, say, Trump becomming President. Comments are likely to range from "I can't satnd the guy" though to "I'm so happy he got in". They aren't going to add much of any value to the conversation. I am seeing more attempts now of people attempting…

Then again YouTube comments can be pretty funny and interesting these days. They're a nice way to interact with the content creators, and with other followers.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by alias_neo » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:40 PM UTC

I'm listening to a "Spaces" chat about this on Twitter right now, and I tend to disagree with the consensus, but I don't have a voice there.

As a viewer, who uses YouTube for educational/learning reasons, dislike ratio is really important for me to know whether I should or should not spend the hour or sometimes more to watch it, rather than go find something else which may be better.

The pessimist in me sees this as a way for YouTube to take away that knowledge you'd have up front, forcing you to watch a video (and the adverts it contains) before you can decide whether it was worth your time.

The pragmatist in me however believes that if we're going to remove dislike counts, we should remove like counts, but again, the pessimist sees this as something that wouldn't benefit YouTube.

Ultimately, given that people are being abused through the counter, I accept the removal of its utility and will probably just bounce out of videos that may or may not have been suitable much more quickly.

For the record, I believe I may have _clicked_ dislike, no more than a handful of times ever for really, truly poor "content".

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 3:10 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #905

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yes, Gab made their own browser called Dissenter that added a comment section to every page of the Internet. Interestingly, I can find very little when Googling for it now. I'm sure other projects have tried this too.

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