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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jjav » Sat, May 22, 2021, 4:57 AM UTC

coder543 wrote: post #82

thanatos519 wrote: post #25

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Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

Nope. All electric vehicles sold in the US since September 2020 must have a Pedestrian Warning System that emits noise at speeds less than 18mph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sound... Once you're above 10mph or 15mph the road noise from the tires makes more noise than the quiet gas engines we have these days anyways. This electric F-150 will not be "almost silent" in any way that matters to…

> Nope.

I don't know if 2020+ EVs are louder, but at least our Fiat 500e does make this tiny whirring sound at parking lot speeds, supposedly so pedestrians can hear it. But it is so quiet that it doesn't accomplish much. Even the quietest ICE car is substantially more audible in parking lots.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rodgerd » Sat, May 22, 2021, 4:57 AM UTC

bhouser wrote: post #472

bryanlarsen wrote: post #278

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

I think the $40k price tag is deceptive if you look a bit closer. The extended range 300 mile battery is only available on the Platinum edition which starts at $60k IIRC, otherwise you're stuck with 230 miles which IMO going to make the truck feel hamstringed. The $50k Cybertruck gets you 300 miles.

> The $50k Cybertruck gets you 300 miles.

The Cybertruck gets you nothing. It doesn't exist.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by woleium » Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

adventured wrote: post #938

carlivar wrote: post #915

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The Cybertruck is coming from a leader with a history of hasty, half baked communication. If you think the Cybertruck will be out this year or exactly as pictured and specified... well I think that is extremely unlikely. A production prototype doesn't even exist yet.

The Cybertruck is going to end up being a sales disaster after the initial sensationalism rapidly wears off. Sales will fade, it'll end up as a gimmick. Large numbers of consumers don't want to drive/use/own something that looks like that, they want something that looks like a normal truck. Cybertruck is Musk's equivalent of the Mac G4 Cube ego mistake, except far worse. He understood that electric vehicles should lo…

I thought Tesla was primarily a battery company?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by nickik » Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:13 AM UTC

aaroninsf wrote: post #665

Hot take: this, as some like Ars Technica have observed, stands a decent chance of being a real game changer. Everything about this vehicle launch appears masterful, from its technology to its branding to the obvious care taken to ensure that in almost every respect it is so superior, and offers so many no-brainers, as to make anyone who can (both individuals and especially, fleet managers), buy these as fast they ca…

Äh I have to disagree. This is far, far, far less of a game changer compared to the Cybertruck.

It basically worse and more expensive at everything and its very unlikely Ford can build close to as many as the Cybertruck. Simply because of batteries alone and other production capacity as well (a lot is shared with the other F150s).

Its really slow charging considering the time it will come out. If you want to use this to transport anything its range is worse compared to the Cybertruck and its gone charge much slower.

This will likely sell well and they will likely sell as many as they can make. But that doesn't make it a game changer.

This will sell well but

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by nickik » Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:22 AM UTC

adventured wrote: post #938

carlivar wrote: post #915

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The Cybertruck is coming from a leader with a history of hasty, half baked communication. If you think the Cybertruck will be out this year or exactly as pictured and specified... well I think that is extremely unlikely. A production prototype doesn't even exist yet.

The Cybertruck is going to end up being a sales disaster after the initial sensationalism rapidly wears off. Sales will fade, it'll end up as a gimmick. Large numbers of consumers don't want to drive/use/own something that looks like that, they want something that looks like a normal truck. Cybertruck is Musk's equivalent of the Mac G4 Cube ego mistake, except far worse. He understood that electric vehicles should lo…

This same old story gets warmed up ever fucking time. With the Model S, with the Model 3. Its so fucking tiered.

Even at 20% conversion of preorders (and that is way lower Tesla usually gets) they have plent for the first 1-2 years of production and that is assuming that they don't get more orders (again as they did with ever other car).

This is just your personal taste and you have formed your opinion on that 100%. Not a single actual state about the Cybertruck or its release indicates anthing like what you suggest.

> humiliate Tesla's efforts in the space

Ford wins in a space Tesla doesn't have a product in. Wow. Amazing.

> Tesla should have acquired Ford in a stock swap

That you believe that shows how you have absolutely no understanding of the car market. That the worst possible idea.

> Tesla's only shot is to abandon Cybertruck and build a normal looking truck

Or you know if your outrage claims are actually true, they could build a 'normal' turck and the Cyberturck. Crazy that a company could produce two different trucks.

The battery availability is the fundamental constraint.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by nickik » Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #942

bhouser wrote: post #472

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I think the $40k price tag is deceptive if you look a bit closer. The extended range 300 mile battery is only available on the Platinum edition which starts at $60k IIRC, otherwise you're stuck with 230 miles which IMO going to make the truck feel hamstringed. The $50k Cybertruck gets you 300 miles.

> The $50k Cybertruck gets you 300 miles. The Cybertruck gets you nothing. It doesn't exist.

And neither does the F150 Lightning. What a dumb ass argument.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by megablast » Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

jessriedel wrote: post #608

zip1234 wrote: post #428

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Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Pedestrians make up only a small minority of people killed in car crashes. (Like 6k of 40k per year.) So sure, it's good to make easy adjustments if they lead to big reductions in deaths, but it's not reasonable to care a ton about seriousness restricting the form factor yet think cars are fine in general. Best would be indexing car/truck sales tax to the size of the negative safety externalities, which would be a qu…

Only 6,000 dead?? Wow. Every year.

How is this acceptable??

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rige » Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:52 AM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #760

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

Agreed with most of your points, just curious about:

> Same way you won't get good mileage on any car if you do that

What do you mean by that? Aren't ICE cars often more efficient at highway speeds? My car usually averages 45ish MPG on the highway and more like 30 in the city.. the sweet spot seems to be around 60-70 mph. Some US highways get up to 80 or 90, but that still (at least for the cars I've owned) ends up more efficient MPG-wise than city driving.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fastball » Sat, May 22, 2021, 5:56 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #586

marcodiego wrote: post #578

Panel features a large tablet-like touch screen, advertisement highlights over the air software updates... Definitely not what I'd like to have.

Similar features to Tesla - is there reason to believe Ford will do a worse job? Can you at least disable the OTA updates if you don't want it?

Well basically every car OS has sucked compared to Tesla's, so that's a start.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fastball » Sat, May 22, 2021, 6:01 AM UTC

tzs wrote: post #653

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #249

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>f150 is more for normal people who actually just want a normal truck that’s electric Why? Does the look of the truck make it more practical? The Cybertruck does not have any paint, and can sustain far more scratch/shock that the F150.

One issue I see with the Cybertruck is the angled sides of the bed. There are a lot of things designed to go on the back of a normal pickup truck, from simple shells to campers like this [1]. Cybertruck seems like it would require special versions of these kind of things. One of the reasons people buy pickups is versatility, and you lose some of that with Cybertruck because of its different shape. [1] https://en.wiki…

Yep, as someone that actually uses a truck on the range, the only misgiving I have about the Cybertruck is the angled sides. Though that being said, given how apparently it's going to have a bed that can be covered and a ramp out the back, maybe that's actually not necessary. Really need to use to understand if the sides are a dealbreaker, methinks.